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How important is a dedicated IP adress to you (web hosting)?
Wondering if there is any demand for this?
As I have some servers for the websites of my webdesign clients, I am having some overage resources and was going to launch some donation based/low budget webhosting plans. As these will be mostly overage resources and I will not really be commiting to any SLA or anything else (regular/premium) hosts offer, it will be based on a "pay what you want plan" with a 5$ upfront charge to prevent abuse. Naturally as I dont wanna make a big act out of this I wont be offering dedicated IPs. This is really more like your average LES plan for webhosting^^ Controlwill be VestaCP as I use it on nearly all my private webservers.
Please equate whether you would a) need a dedicated ip at all costs and b) be interested in this?
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It depends how the other users of this plan would behave, if there are people sending spam emails you most likely want an own dedicated ip and not wake up in the morning with 20 not delivered message coz of blacklisting.
Might acctually just be blocking emails (outgoing/incoming)
First, why would you need a dedicated IP these days? With SNI there is absolutely no good reason to have a dedicated IP for a website -- it doesn't effect search ranking and really there is no benefit to it other than the one single valid argument I have heard from a customer and that is to be able to test your website by going directly to the IP and not having to point your website until you are sure everything works --- but even then this is silly and you should just use your systems hosts file for testing.
Secondly, why would you give random people you don't know cheap or free accounts on a VestaCP server that you may or may not have production clients on? This is a great way to end up with malware endpoints, malicious sites, torrent redirectors and other garbage on your server, not to mention VestaCP (in my opinion) is not the most secure platform to be using for shared to begin with. People who don't pay for something or pay next to nothing have very little regard for the service usually -- if you want to use your spare resources wisely find a few non-profit projects/groups that are in need of the hosting and provide it to them for free or reduced cost for some type of advertising on their site or some form of mutual benefit. What you don't want to do is get a bunch of scummy people who don't pay anything on your server who then get your ips listed for running phishing, malware, fake pharmaceutical sites, etc and dirty your IP range/server IP for next to nothing in return.
If you were serious about providing shared hosting you should really use a setup like cPanel + CloudLinux + Config Security Firewall + Config Security Exploit Scanner where users are in their own jailed environments and there is something in place to ensure your not running a bunch of exploitable sites that can be hacked and used to send spam or perform other malicious actions. Using VestaCP if someone hacks an account, they will then be able to also access any word writable files on the system and possible other user accounts and this is how you end up with a server full of exploited sites sending out spam non-stop.
my 2 cents.
Cheers!
I host around 3000 websites on my reseller hosting. For SEO reasons I use a dedicated IP per website such has added to about a /20 (1k spare room) for websites. So dedicated IPs are very very essential
Well, i don't give a fsck about ip address. well, at least for now.
I just facepalmed so hard I broke my glasses. Yet another mis-informed person that thinks you get better SEO by using dedicated IPs. Who has been telling these lies to you and where can we find them so we can stop this madness?
If you actually took your time and really valued the sites you were seeking SEO for and just spent some real time creating organic traffic you would have 5000% better results than giving the site a dedicated IP.
In the words of Donald Trump, "SAD!"
Cheers!
Thanks for the thorough reply. Dont have too much time rn but I see your concerns about security and I will take these into account. My webdesign customers however are on a seperate KVM and have their own dedicated ips
That being said I will also check out some non profit projects!
I'm pretty sure he's trolling haha.
To me, it would be important but the only reason for that is because I wouldn't be using your Nameserver but my own or cloudflare. For that reason an ever changing IP address wouldn't do good for the like of me.
But that doesn't mean I would have a problem sharing the same IP with 26384 other sites.
I use dedicated IP on only most important project so I can feel the worth. Otherwise, shared IP isn't any issue.
My clientele have 0.1% using windows XP and IE6. I have to use dedicated IPs due to these OSes do not support SNI.
For shared hosting, not even remotely important, it is shared hosting, if security is that important you would not be using shared hosting to begin with, it just is not justifiable in any way shape or form except 0.01% edge cases in which case you don't really care that much about security anyway.
Basically doesn't matter.
@Jarland
I find it weird people like shared IPs. I rather just make companies in many countries, sign up as LIR, and get a /22 assigned every time, and then have 1000 IP's per server.
If you use a shared IP, it means you're cheap.
Oh well
to be honest, I couldn't care less lol.
The very idea of this offering was being "cheap". Something similar to CrapNAT/LES not meant for your very important projects.
@Cluster
I know, no worries
Shared IP is cul
Maybe one day...
not important, unless you have clients who host porn sites, then you'll want to have them on a dedicated IP as others don't want their site hosted on the same IP as a porn site...
@TheLinuxBug Well, it's still useful for my CDN as you can wget without the odd --no-check-certificate on older systems
Wondering whether people would prefer a crappy shared hosting (using vestacp and overage resources from reseller accounts I have) or prefer a tiny IPv6 only VPS to use for webhosting along with CF DNS? I guess people would prefer the vps however that greatly contributes to the abuse factor. In any way as this will be more or less free I will probably be charging a 5$ activation fee payable by PayPal to verify your names and cover a bit of the costs. For the cheapos amongst you I might also accept a scan of your ID however not sure how I will verify you did not just pick one from google images (perhaps I will send the login details via post to your "apparent" adress) which would again cost something so I might just be better off with a 5$ PP fee for everyone interested.. Anyway looking forward to hearing your input
Well, I must agree, I've some sites where I've not done any off page SEO or link building, but I just have some good content and Google through some traffic at the content on its own.
All we need is a good content, even the visitors will come back.
Regarding the additional IPs. There was a time when we needed IP for SSL. But on my last vestacp install I noticed that now they also issue free SSL.
So, I don't see any reason to have dedicated IPs now, if you are also blocking emails as you have mentioned above.