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Will I be renting or owning ip's with a RIPE membership?
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Will I be renting or owning ip's with a RIPE membership?

xxlxxxlx Member

I need to know if you will now permanently own ip's after RIPE gives you them. Ive read tons of information from the site but they word everything in such a lawyer type way I dont understand.

So look here's what I think so far: I will pay RIPE 2000euro, then pay 1200euro every year. They will give me a new /22 every year that I will Own?? I will possibly get back the 2000euro signup fee in 1 year? Also there was something they said like you can pay 50euro to request another block??

So I know the above is probably very wrong but this is what I came up with after reading the site.

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  • @xxlx said:
    I need to know if you will now permanently own ip's after RIPE gives you them. Ive read tons of information from the site but they word everything in such a lawyer type way I dont understand.

    So look here's what I think so far: I will pay RIPE 2000euro, then pay 1200euro every year. They will give me a new /22 every year that I will Own?? I will possibly get back the 2000euro signup fee in 1 year? Also there was something they said like you can pay 50euro to request another block??

    So I know the above is probably very wrong but this is what I came up with after reading the site.

    No. By signing up with them, you get the block so long as it is active.

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  • xxlx said: I will pay RIPE 2000euro, then pay 1200euro every year.

    No, renewal is 1400EUR.

    xxlx said: They will give me a new /22 every year that I will Own?

    No. You get 1 /22, nothing more, and never any other (so no replacement). And v6 space, a /29.

    xxlx said: I will possibly get back the 2000euro signup fee in 1 year?

    No, you never get back the setup fee in any case.

    xxlx said: Also there was something they said like you can pay 50euro to request another block?

    No, that refers to PI blocks which are not given out anymore since RIPE is empty.

    If you buy a PI block from someone the maintenance fee is 50EUR/year to RIPE. If you buy PA space you do not pay any additional fees to your LIR costs.

    xxlx said: but this is what I came up with after reading the site

    This is like the most wrong interpretation i have ever seen, and RIPE is out of all RIRs BY FAR the most easiest to understand. I hope you never want to sign up for Afrinic.

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  • hostdarehostdare Member, Patron Provider

    @william does it allow purchase IPs from other ripe member ?

  • WilliamWilliam Member
    edited June 2017

    Yes, but you cannot open a LIR and immediately move space - there is a waiting timeframe of, depending on situation and origin of space (former transfer, legacy, normal PA of 185, PA of before last /8...) of 12-36 months.

    PI can be sold at any time to anyone.

  • hzrhzr Member

    William said: I hope you never want to sign up for Afrinic.

    How many people do I bribe for a /19 or /18 to announce in an ARIN region?

  • WilliamWilliam Member
    edited June 2017

    hzr said: How many people do I bribe for a /19 or /18 to announce in an ARIN region?

    None, ARIN is empty.

    You do not get any from RIPE in that size, and from Afrinic you get emails to stop foreign usage after some time, and then revocation.

  • WilliamWilliam Member
    edited June 2017

    As we know though this is not applied equally to everyone, but getting that large in the first place is extremely hard by now - If calculated through the % used out of region is also by the insane size not extremely high, which might fly around the rules:

    https://bgpview.io/prefix/154.16.0.0/16 - Host1Plus/Netstack

    https://bgpview.io/prefix/196.52.0.0/14 - LogicWeb, another IP seller front used (if not owned by) by methbot/ad scammers (note the "Amsterdam residential" bla bla stuff)

    Supporters of them include (and should be avoided for any services + assumed as criminal):

    https://bgpview.io/asn/46562#prefixes-v4 Total Server Solutions L.L.C. https://www.totalserversolutions.com/

    https://bgpview.io/asn/12025#prefixes-v4 IO Capital Princess, LLC http://www.io.com/

    https://bgpview.io/asn/4250#prefixes-v4 Alentus Corporation http://www.alentus.com/

    https://bgpview.io/asn/21321#prefixes-v4 Netuity Networks http://alentus.co.uk

    https://bgpview.io/asn/32780#prefixes-v4 Hosting Services, Inc. (UK2NET) https://www.uk2group.com/

    https://bgpview.io/asn/29802#prefixes-v4 HIVELOCITY VENTURES CORP https://www.hivelocity.net/

    Some prefixes are spoofed as announced on Choopa/Vultr - if traced the last endpoint is always an NTT/Cogent peering IP which is not Choopas endpoint:

    https://bgpview.io/prefix/196.52.59.0/24

    Some entire /16 netblocks have only Comcast/ATT/Verizon etc. as whois set with not a SINGLE legit IP in the entire allocation:

    https://bgpview.io/prefix/196.62.0.0/16

    inetnum:        196.62.0.0 - 196.62.31.255
    netname:        COMCAST-CABLE
    descr:          Comcast Cable Communications, Inc
    
    inetnum:        196.62.32.0 - 196.62.63.255
    netname:        TIME-WARNER
    descr:          Time Warner Cable Inc.
    
    inetnum:        196.62.64.0 - 196.62.95.255
    netname:        VERIZON
    descr:          Verizon Trademark Services LLC
    
    inetnum:        196.62.96.0 - 196.62.127.255
    netname:        ATT
    descr:          AT&T Services, Inc.
    
    inetnum:        196.62.128.0 - 196.62.159.255
    netname:        COX
    descr:          Cox Communications Inc
    
    inetnum:        196.62.160.0 - 196.62.191.255
    netname:        CHARTER
    descr:          Charter Communications Operating, LLC
    
    inetnum:        196.62.192.0 - 196.62.223.255
    netname:        Cequel
    descr:          Cequel Communications Holdings
    
    inetnum:        196.62.224.0 - 196.62.255.255
    netname:        CenturyLink
    descr:          CenturyLink, Inc.
    
  • William said: https://bgpview.io/prefix/196.52.0.0/14 - LogicWeb, another IP seller front used (if not owned by) by methbot/ad scammers (note the "Amsterdam residential" bla bla stuff)

    Hey William,

    Your statement is 100% false. We're a legitimate company incorporated in NYS in 2004. There's no "front" and "Amsterdam Residential" is a legitimate client of ours, their subsidy.

    We own the legacy block 196.52.0.0/14 alongside another 5huge subnets with ARIN as well.

    You should do proper research before making assumptions like "scammers" and "IP seller front".

  • CoreyCorey Member
    edited February 2019

    @LOGICWEB said:

    William said: https://bgpview.io/prefix/196.52.0.0/14 - LogicWeb, another IP seller front used (if not owned by) by methbot/ad scammers (note the "Amsterdam residential" bla bla stuff)

    Hey William,

    Your statement is 100% false. We're a legitimate company incorporated in NYS in 2004. There's no "front" and "Amsterdam Residential" is a legitimate client of ours, their subsidy.

    We own the legacy block 196.52.0.0/14 alongside another 5huge subnets with ARIN as well.

    You should do proper research before making assumptions like "scammers" and "IP seller front".

    You might not be a scammer but you do sell and lease ip addresses to just about anyone, and 'IP Leasing' seems to be a large part of your business.

    "Totaling more than a dozen B classes and multiple A classes. These are great for SEO hosting, VPN Service Providers, Data Centers, ISP, Marketing Agencies and Colocation Providers."
    "Justification Not Required"

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