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Very tiny VPS in Japan

Hello there,

as my current VPN location in Japan is increasing their prices, I'm looking for an alternative.
I'm basically looking for either a very small VPS or a VPN service (directly, but I'd be more comfortable with a VPS), but I'm not sure which specs are needed for a VPN (I'd like to operate both OpenVPN and possibly another solution, but not sure which one exactly, possibly SoftEther (is this even working on a Linux server?) or IPSec). I'll be streaming media through the VPN (nothing illegal though, have several subscriptions), so it should come with some bandwidth and a fast port. Until now, I've only used whole-virtualization solutions like KVM or VMware, so I'm not sure if OpenVZ would be enough, relying on your opinions there.

Therefore, this should be specs for a VPS:

CPU: everything that does the job
Space: <=10GB (SSD preferred, but I don't actually care)
RAM: lol idk, like 1GB?
Important: Decent peering from Japan to either Germany or Switzerland (as good as possible)
Port speed: >250mbps port (my home connection is 250mbps)
Traffic: I think everything from 500GB+ will do. (don't think I'll ever consume this much, but just in case)

Price: as low as possible, Linodes prices would be already quite expensive.

Thank you in advance.

Comments

  • deadbeefdeadbeef Member
    edited May 2017

    @nekki In case @blusega 's request brings you thoughts of getting into hosting in Japan:

  • @bluesega said:
    Hello there,

    as my current VPN location in Japan is increasing their prices, I'm looking for an alternative.
    I'm basically looking for either a very small VPS or a VPN service (directly, but I'd be more comfortable with a VPS), but I'm not sure which specs are needed for a VPN (I'd like to operate both OpenVPN and possibly another solution, but not sure which one exactly, possibly SoftEther (is this even working on a Linux server?) or IPSec). I'll be streaming media through the VPN (nothing illegal though, have several subscriptions), so it should come with some bandwidth and a fast port. Until now, I've only used whole-virtualization solutions like KVM or VMware, so I'm not sure if OpenVZ would be enough, relying on your opinions there.

    Therefore, this should be specs for a VPS:

    CPU: everything that does the job
    Space: <=10GB (SSD preferred, but I don't actually care)
    RAM: lol idk, like 1GB?
    Important: Decent peering from Japan to either Germany or Switzerland (as good as possible)
    Port speed: >250mbps port (my home connection is 250mbps)
    Traffic: I think everything from 500GB+ will do. (don't think I'll ever consume this much, but just in case)

    Price: as low as possible, Linodes prices would be already quite expensive.

    Thank you in advance.

    that is not tiny specification..

  • m3gfm3gf Member

    you can run proxy service on even 64M ram VPS.

  • edited May 2017

    Have you considered Vultr's Japan location? They charge $5 / month for 1TB bandwidth (I think that's measured as the highest out of inbound or outbound traffic), 1GB RAM and 25GB SSD space. You could use http://hnd-jp-ping.vultr.com/ to test out whether the speeds / ping you get to that location are good enough.

    Edit: same price as linode, which you said was too expensive, so this probably is too. There's the option of the InceptionHosting Low End Spirit location in Japan (https://clients.inceptionhosting.com/cart.php?gid=13), but that meets none of your spec-related requirements (75GB bandwidth, 1GB disk, 128MB RAM). I'm not aware of anything cheaper in the area either.

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  • @chocolateshirt said:
    that is not tiny specification..

    Oh, I'm fine with other specs if it does the job well! I'm not used to only operating VPN on a service, so if 128/256/512mb ram are doing it fast enough, I'll be happy too! (thought in 2017, 1G RAM is even too low XD)
    Basically, most important is port speed and traffic, feel free to suggest every specs that are basically fitting. I don't have a problem with annual pricing, etc. either.
    Also, these 500GB traffic are basically overloaded, I'm sure I'll even stay within 200GB, so I'm happy with suggestions as well.
    InceptionHosting's offer seems basically fine, but I'd like to use more bandwidth and not-NAT would be lovely.

  • NekkiNekki Veteran

    @deadbeef said:
    @nekki In case @blusega 's request brings you thoughts of getting into hosting in Japan:

    Check out tentacleloving.com

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  • didtavdidtav Member

    What is japan?

  • Just a random question in between: What kind of operating system do you use on a 128-512mb RAM system? No Ubuntu or Debian I assume? I've never used CentOS or so, don't know how this works out.

  • YuraYura Member

    @didtav said:
    What is japan?

    Nintendo's home.

  • edited May 2017

    @bluesega said:
    Just a random question in between: What kind of operating system do you use on a 128-512mb RAM system? No Ubuntu or Debian I assume? I've never used CentOS or so, don't know how this works out.

    all linux distro & bsd without graphical interface..

    @Yura said:

    @didtav said:
    What is japan?

    Nintendo's home.

    JAV

  • @bluesega said:
    Just a random question in between: What kind of operating system do you use on a 128-512mb RAM system? No Ubuntu or Debian I assume? I've never used CentOS or so, don't know how this works out.

    Debian is best, followed closely by Ubuntu. CentOS can struggle out the box especially YUM on 128MB

  • rm_rm_ IPv6 Advocate, Veteran

    bluesega said: What kind of operating system do you use on a 128-512mb RAM system? No Ubuntu or Debian I assume?

    Debian in its minimal install uses about 16 MB of RAM and can be used on as low as 64 MB of RAM boxes, which this site was originally about.

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  • @rm_ said:

    bluesega said: What kind of operating system do you use on a 128-512mb RAM system? No Ubuntu or Debian I assume?

    Debian in its minimal install uses about 16 MB of RAM and can be used on as low as 64 MB of RAM boxes, which this site was originally about.

    Can't it run on 32MB.......... 32mb.club would be a cool idea.

    ****Triggered****

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  • bluesegabluesega Member
    edited May 2017

    Okay, if this works out, I'm fine with low-RAM systems as well.
    Let's say, I'm interested in what providers can do for less than $5 a month, payment as mentioned also OK anually or so.
    Then let's take this down to these specs: IPv4 included (don't care about v6), at least 200GB of traffic (300 would be nice) and port speed as mentioned at least 250mbps (I'm fine with burst) and mentioned peering.
    Thank you for your help guys.

  • sanvitsanvit Member

    @bluesega said:
    Okay, if this works out, I'm fine with low-RAM systems as well.
    Let's say, I'm interested in what providers can do for less than $5 a month, payment as mentioned also OK anually or so.
    Then let's take this down to these specs: IPv4 included (don't care about v6), at least 200GB of traffic (300 would be nice) and port speed as mentioned at least 250mbps (I'm fine with burst) and mentioned peering.
    Thank you for your help guys.

    Vultr is doing a credit match to up to $100(valid for one year) so, vultr will cost you $2.5/mo or even $1.25/mo if your lucky enough to get the sold-out plan!

  • m3gfm3gf Member

    @bluesega said:
    Okay, if this works out, I'm fine with low-RAM systems as well.
    Let's say, I'm interested in what providers can do for less than $5 a month, payment as mentioned also OK anually or so.
    Then let's take this down to these specs: IPv4 included (don't care about v6), at least 200GB of traffic (300 would be nice) and port speed as mentioned at least 250mbps (I'm fine with burst) and mentioned peering.
    Thank you for your help guys.

    Go with Vultr $5 Japan plan.That is convenient.

  • 2gouzi2gouzi Member

    z.com

  • WilliamWilliam Member

    bluesega said: Just a random question in between: What kind of operating system do you use on a 128-512mb RAM system? No Ubuntu or Debian I assume? I've never used CentOS or so, don't know how this works out.

    ... CentOS uses WAY more RAM than Debian, you can get Debian to run on 16MB on OVZ and 64MB on KVM/Xen.

    As others noted... Vultr is mostly your only path, however the IPs do not geo to Japan mostly. 250Mbit + 500GB is not cheap in Asia.

  • Personally I would suggest 128-256MB RAM max, running Debian. Use softether (www.softether.org) as your VPN server software. Your bandwidth will very but beware that if your planning to use Netflix, there isn't many ISPs which have their data center IPs ripe/arin up as residential and so Netflix will be blocked. Do keep this in mind that you might have to implement policy based routing if you automatically want to make Netflix working (i.e off your usual line) and everything else over the VPN.

    If your looking for a decent router to be able handle this (320 aes-256 or 470mbits aes-128) then look into mikrotik rb750gr2 which also can do the policy based routing all for around £50 and max of 3w of power.

    Most OS support one of its compatible​ protocols so client or router side configuration is a brease. It also has a load of tricks to get around most firewalls I.e GWOC. Also is probably one of the fastest VPN solutions for throughput and runs on OpenVZ as well to boot.

    As per CPU cores, I would try and get at least two cores which has aes instructions which these days is most modern CPUs. It should run fine on single core however due to the throughput that your requiring there's a good chance that you will need more then one core.

    Note: VPNs are very CPU hungry so make sure the ISP doesn't mind you using 75%+ most of the time if your using heavily as most will as they expect a max of around 1/3 per core.

    Hope this help.

  • I remembered something about Vultr, they seem to not geo-locate their IPs for their Japan DC correctly. One of my previous VPN providers had a server from Vultr, and I had many issues because their server - though geolocated in Japan had an IP from ARIN (US), therefore not all geoip-databases recognizing this as Japanese, and as all GeoIP-Services in Japan are extremely fussy with that, I'd need a service doing this correctly.
    Thanks for reminding me, @William, I forgot if it was Linode or Vultr.

    Btw, I'm fine with Japanese providers if you know some more, currently I'm thinking about either sakura.ad.jp, ablenet, or GMO. Out of these, Sakura seems to offer the best ping, but I haven't looked for a Test-IP for ablenet yet.

    majestic said: As per CPU cores, I would try and get at least two cores which has aes instructions which these days is most modern CPUs. It should run fine on single core however due to the throughput that your requiring there's a good chance that you will need more then one core.

    Thank you for this information.

  • @bluesega anytime.

  • Yeah, unless you had an APNIC /24 with the location set to JP announced on Vultr the fact that they use ARIN US IPs in their JP location can cause some issues with US sites coming up instead of Japan ones

  • @majestic said:
    Personally I would suggest 128-256MB RAM max, running Debian. Use softether (www.softether.org) as your VPN server software. Your bandwidth will very but beware that if your planning to use Netflix, there isn't many ISPs which have their data center IPs ripe/arin up as residential and so Netflix will be blocked. Do keep this in mind that you might have to implement policy based routing if you automatically want to make Netflix working (i.e off your usual line) and everything else over the VPN.

    If your looking for a decent router to be able handle this (320 aes-256 or 470mbits aes-128) then look into mikrotik rb750gr2 which also can do the policy based routing all for around £50 and max of 3w of power.

    Most OS support one of its compatible​ protocols so client or router side configuration is a brease. It also has a load of tricks to get around most firewalls I.e GWOC. Also is probably one of the fastest VPN solutions for throughput and runs on OpenVZ as well to boot.

    As per CPU cores, I would try and get at least two cores which has aes instructions which these days is most modern CPUs. It should run fine on single core however due to the throughput that your requiring there's a good chance that you will need more then one core.

    Note: VPNs are very CPU hungry so make sure the ISP doesn't mind you using 75%+ most of the time if your using heavily as most will as they expect a max of around 1/3 per core.

    Hope this help.

    I am using OpenVPN with some of my friend on my VPS. The configuration using AES-128-CBC cipher, 3072 bits Diffie-Hellman & RSA key.

    OpenVPN CPU usage never exceed 15% almost time. So it not CPU hungry as you described.

  • rm_rm_ IPv6 Advocate, Veteran
    edited May 2017

    chocolateshirt said: OpenVPN CPU usage never exceed 15% almost time. So it not CPU hungry as you described.

    If the host has a poorly configured virtualization system and doesn't pass through the AES-NI CPU flag (or just uses very old CPUs), it will be. Also maybe you just don't use much bandwidth (checked with 100 Mbit in + 100 Mbit out?)

  • edited May 2017

    @rm_ said:

    chocolateshirt said: OpenVPN CPU usage never exceed 15% almost time. So it not CPU hungry as you described.

    If the host has a poorly configured virtualization system and doesn't pass through the AES-NI CPU flag (or just uses very old CPUs), it will be. Also maybe you just don't use much bandwidth (checked with 100 Mbit in + 100 Mbit out?)

    In Indonesia we are rarely got 100 mbit bandwidth, average usage for all active connection (me and friends) around 50-60 mbit per second

  • majesticmajestic Member
    edited June 2017

    I am using OpenVPN with some of my friend on my VPS. The configuration using AES-128-CBC cipher, 3072 bits Diffie-Hellman & RSA key.

    OpenVPN CPU usage never exceed 15% almost time. So it not CPU hungry as you described.

    If your sending a lot of data down the link like the OP says he will be, I can assure you will max the CPUs very easily even with AES-IN supported CPU's. 200Mbits+ of data down it will push the CPU very high if not maxed. OpenVPN isn't highly optimized and this is a fact.

    edit Ooops didn't notice that you also mentioned the speed. If he uses AES-256 which is the norm these days as AES-128 is too weak/crackable (look at PPTP using 128, been cracked for many years), your CPU will over double what you already have. The OP also wanted 200+ Mbits. I can pretty much assure you he will be running way over the average 33% which is what the average provider will allow per core.

  • majestic said: 200Mbits+ of data down it will push the CPU very high if not maxed

    On 256 i can max a Celeron with barely 50Mbit. i3 does not more than 100 either. Both have AES-NI.

  • Hi guys,

    As of now got a VPS (with a IP geolocated correctly) for JPY 630/month (~5€/mo)
    It's only 100mbps though, but I think probably won't reach these speeds anyway with a provider not being Vultr, etc. with more "global" peering.
    Speeds vary from ~800kb/s (on my mobile via LTE, have to do some more checking on that, this might be a k.o. :/ (don't know if that's the carriers fault though)), on to 6mb/s at work to about ~10mb/s at home, which is acceptable for watching in HD.
    (thought, in 2017, 200mbps would be a possible thing :/)

    Have to setup VPN still though, but here's bench.log, do you think this'll be enough for pushing 100mbps as good as possible?
    AES Flag seems to be pushed through! :)

    System Info

    Processor : Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2650 v3 @ 2.30GHz
    CPU Cores : 1
    Frequency : 2294.686 MHz
    Memory : 488 MB
    Swap : MB
    Uptime : 8 min,

    OS : Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS
    Arch : x86_64 (64 Bit)
    Kernel : 4.4.0-57-generic

    Speedtest (IPv4 only)

    Location Provider Speed
    CDN Cachefly 17.2MB/s

    Atlanta, GA, US Coloat 4.95MB/s
    Dallas, TX, US Softlayer 8.05MB/s
    Seattle, WA, US Softlayer 10.6MB/s
    San Jose, CA, US Softlayer 9.91MB/s
    Washington, DC, US Softlayer 1.13MB/s

    Tokyo, Japan Linode 18.4MB/s
    Singapore Softlayer 9.11MB/s

    Rotterdam, Netherlands id3.net 4.51MB/s
    Haarlem, Netherlands Leaseweb 6.31MB/s

    Disk Speed

    I/O (1st run) : 376 MB/s
    I/O (2nd run) : 417 MB/s
    I/O (3rd run) : 411 MB/s
    Average I/O : 401.333 MB/s

    On another note, if somebody appears to have a sakura.ad.jp and/or ablenet VPS, would be very thankful for a Test-IP (or file), just in order to being able to compare :)

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