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Anyone with OVH Xeon E3-1270v6 or E3-1230v6 care to run a CentOS 7.3 (original distro kernel) install test for Centmin Mod 123.09beta01 LEMP stack for me to see what kind of install times you get compared to posted dedicated/vps install times at https://community.centminmod.com/threads/post-your-centmin-mod-123-09beta01-install-time-stats.8866/
the SSH install command is just
yum -y update; curl -O https://centminmod.com/betainstaller.sh && chmod 0700 betainstaller.sh && bash betainstaller.shwith OVH Core i7 4790K managed ~520 seconds https://community.centminmod.com/threads/ovh-intel-core-i7-4790k-32gb-2x240gb-samsung-pm863-ssd-review.9611/#post-47372
curious to see if E3-1270v6 is worth it
I've just ordered a SP-64 E3-1270v6 2x2TB SATA + 2x450GB NVMe
They are set for delivery in 10 days
Hopes to get it sooner 
I do think the E3-1270v6 will perform similar to the I7-6700K. They both have same turbo speed @ 4.2
looking forward to whatever results you can share
My benchmark test this OVH servers:
E3-1230v6: https://benchmark.stream/2017/04/11/benchmark-e3-1230v6-16gb-ram-2x4tb-sata/
E3-1270v6: https://benchmark.stream/2017/04/11/benchmark-e3-1270v6-32gb-ram-2x4tb-sata/
Ughh.... vRack went from 1Gbps to 10Mbps???? RIP
Nice! But hide those IPs.
There was no vRack available on the SP-32 line before. Now they offer 10Mbps for free or 1Gbps for a fee. Not bad.
It applies to EU customers, not the location of the datacenter. EU customers, without a valid VAT number, who purchase servers in North America, should still be charged VAT. Enforcing that, policing that, complying with that...well that's another topic.
yes you are right. but I wasn't referring to the location of the datacenter but the location of the business branch and especially the tax towards non-eu customers.
so for non-eu customers buying services from non-eu businesses VAT shouldn't matter - that might be the case if OVH runs a branch in canada which also does the billing and taxes.
in opposite to that a non-eu customer buying from OVH in france would need to pay french VAT as OVH is supposed to charge it, as long as the non-eu customer doesn't deliver proof to be a business client themselves.
one can possibly discuss widely about this and that, especially the latest regulations including MOSS and such aren't fully fought through courts if I am not mistaken...
You are saying that EU business are required to charge VAT to non EU customers which is not true. Non-EU customers are NOT supposed to get charged VAT, even if they buy services from an EU business. EU customers are supposed to get charged VAT no matter where the business they buy the services from is located.
If OVH France requires proof you are not an EU customer that's besides the point. EU customers do NOT pay VAT to the business they are buying services from if they have a VAT number. Of course you need to submit that and any other proof the seller may require.
Of course EU businesses selling services also have a VAT number but that is besides the point. Of course non EU businesses selling services to EU customers also require a VAT in order to submit the proceeds from the tax but that is also besides the point.
The fact it is a stupid complicated system that puts the onus on small businesses to do all the work and is impossible to enforce fairly worldwide is a whole other discussion. As far as I know, they have only gone after Apple and maybe a few other big fish. I think a lot of smaller companies just ignore the rules which is not fair to those of us who try play by the rules. So it's a stupid bureaucratic system all around but that's besides the point.
Sorry to disappoint, but it is. See, the whole point of having to charge VAT or not to any customer as a european business depends on where the law places the fulfilment.
That can be either the location of the client or the location of the business itself (or maybe even the location of the DC in some cases). And where the law places that fulfilment in most cases just depends on the client being a business itself or not.
A valid VAT ID is just something to ease things and deliver a verifiable proof (VIES) but it isn't the only thing to decide whether being allowed to excempt a client from VAT or not.
Yes they are. If I as a german business get a US client who is not a busines themselves our law requires me to charge them german VAT as a general rule.
Simply because the law puts the place of fulfilment on my location unless the client is a business then the location of the client is what counts. Which of course to proof against my tax authorities I am beung held reliable for...
Of course there might be exceptions to this, mostly depending on the kind of service or good involved which might change the place of fulfilment and therefore the VAT rule that has to be applied or not.
And as said above for some digital goods the MOSS regulations came in causing more confusion...
After all it is by far more complex then just not being from eu or having a vat id.
I suggest consulting a european lawyer specialized in taxes. ;-)
@Falzo do you have any evidence for this? I had a tax audit last year and do have non eu customers (b2b and b2c) and did not charge VAT to anyone outside the EU. Everything was in order on my side.
I just double checked on the dutch tax authorities site and they also confirm that no VAT should be charged.
All of this is for electronic services. I'm not sure about others.
You are correct as far as I know. At least for services like hosting which they call digital services or electronically supplied services.
If your customer is a business in the EU, they should be registered for their own VAT number and as a business, they are responsible for collecting and remitting VAT. You don’t have to.
You can register for MOSS. This is a “Mini-one-stop-shop” in the EU. Instead of registering in each 28 Member States in the EU, you can do it in one place.
Choose which countries you want to continue selling to and know the laws there (invoicing rules, VAT rates etc.)
This is just one of hundreds of links you will find on the subject if you still don't believe me.
http://www.shannonleesimmons.com/eu-vat-january-2015-changes-no-eu-sellers/
Anybody got delivery of 2017 SP32 or SP64? Please post the benchmark.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php has figures for the 1280 v5 and v6. After adjusting for the v6's slightly higher frequency, it is about 0.4% faster clock for clock.
this probably is more a misunderstanding about the point I am aiming at here.
I was to argue about the general statement of non-eu customers have to do nothing with VAT overall.
that simply isn't so. as already said it is more of the other way round, in first place all customers for services of an eu-business are applicable to VAT like described above.
in a second step after that one may look which exemptions may apply. that is where MOSS comes in and those rules for 'electronically supplied service' which in general regulate that the place of fulfilment also in a B2C case changes to the customers and therefore needs you to charge VAT depending on the customers location.
the link @moonmartin pointed at clarifies this especially for non-eu sellers, but of course it also applies for EU sellers.
but for the general rules (at least for germany ) §1 (1) UStG regulates that (german) VAT applies to all services of a business with place of fulfilment in germany.
furthermore §3a (1) UStG ( http://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/ustg_1980/__3a.html ) then defines that the place of fulfilment for all services is the location of the business itself (germany) unless any of the exemptions defined in the later numbers apply (one of it being the B2B case).
which leaves us at the point, the I have to apply VAT to any customer I deliver services to, unless they match an exemption like being a business themselves...
I am pretty sure all EU countries have regulations like this, because all of them sooner or later comply to what the EU suggest in first place... ;-)
that is where your tax audit @vfuse of course proved you right!
electronically supplied services are that special case where place of fulfilment changes to the customer - which is what changed back on 1.1.2015
yet as far as I am aware it isn't fully clarified (legally) where to draw the line for what counts as 'electronically supplied services' and what may not - webhosting is clearly included, colocation may be not...
at least there is a list which might give further hints: http://ec.europa.eu/taxation_customs/sites/taxation/files/resources/documents/common/buying_online/electronically_supplied_services.pdf
again I never was to disagree that non-eu customers maybe VAT exempted depending on what they order, and of course especially a lot of the services around LET may fall under those 'electronically supplied services' regulation.
my point simply was to disagree with the general statement 'no VAT for non-eu customers at all'.
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This is in EU thought, it seems no one got theirs in BHS yet.
Just finished installing my SP-64 2017 in BHS-3
Quick Geekbench here: https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/2543940
Performance is on par with the i7-6700k
Need some sleep now...
How much money to buy? Where?
@Falzo You are confused and just spouting nonsense.
Source: http://europa.eu/youreurope/business/vat-customs/cross-border/index_en.htm
It doesn't get more official that europa.eu
yeah maybe, if that's what's working for you ;-)
on the other hand I am not talking about selling goods here, but selling services which again is something different in terms of tax laws.
I second that
Indeed in Italy we never charge VAT to buyers from outside the EU, commercial or not. I hear such thing that you have to collect VAT from them from german people only.
How much was your server? I ordered the same SP-32 but was charged $111.99 instead of the $86.99 that it should be with the 450 GB NVMe disks.
Where you see $86.99? SP-32 2017 w/ NVMe is $111.99/mo USD
My actual server is $144/mo USD
But ordering from the CA site is actually much cheaper than US site... ;-)
US site shows $74.99 (new SP-32) + $12 for NVMe drives = $86.99. New SP-64 with NVMe drives is $116.99 USD.
Yeah, that's what I see. No idea how I was charged 111.99.
Dedicated Server(s)
SUBSCRIPTION Domain Quantity Unit price Amount
SP-32 Server - E3-1270v6 - 32GB - 1 month
From April 14, 2017 to May 13, 2017
1
$99.99 USD
Option SoftRaid 2x450GB SSD NVMe - 1 month
From April 14, 2017 to May 13, 2017
1
$12.00 USD
sub-total $111.99 USD
Maybe they updated the prices since? $99.99 seems to be the Canadian pricing.
Worth calling support and getting them to look into it.
This is not what I see.
Edit: OK, emptied the cache and it's showing the new price.