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When to choose copper / fiber

ScammerProutScammerProut Member
edited February 2017 in Help

Both support 1g and 10g uplinks when do you choose fiber over copper besides length that is.

I don't buy or sell any products on LET so don't ask me because the answer is NO.

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  • Copper for saucepans, fiber for pants.

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  • Copper for police, fiber for hiding from police.

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  • @KeKe said:
    Both support 1g and 10g uplinks when do you choose fiber over copper besides length that is.

    I think this question may lack some vital context.

  • @GZS said:

    @KeKe said:
    Both support 1g and 10g uplinks when do you choose fiber over copper besides length that is.

    I think this question may lack some vital context.

    No, it's perfect as it is. We need some LowEndHousekeeping talk, damn it!

  • AshleyUkAshleyUk Member
    edited February 2017

    Fibre : No crosstalk, lower latency when running @ 10Gb, thinner physical size than bulky CAT7 cable, lower power requirements

    Copper : CAT7 may be cheaper than fibre, can easily be shortened / re-terminated

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  • @Yura said:

    @GZS said:

    @KeKe said:
    Both support 1g and 10g uplinks when do you choose fiber over copper besides length that is.

    I think this question may lack some vital context.

    No, it's perfect as it is. We need some LowEndHousekeeping talk, damn it!

    If you leave milk out too long, it turns into yogurt. If you leave that out too long, it turns to cheese. If you leave that out too long, it'll help cure that rash on your peespots. If you leave it out longer than that, it becomes sentient and will destroy the planet.

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  • Personally, I went with Stainless steel because it looks so much better than the brushed nickel.

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  • @WSS said:
    Personally, I went with Stainless steel because it looks so much better than the brushed nickel.

    We need more nickel stuff in our lifes.

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  • @WSS said:

    @Yura said:

    @GZS said:

    @KeKe said:
    Both support 1g and 10g uplinks when do you choose fiber over copper besides length that is.

    I think this question may lack some vital context.

    No, it's perfect as it is. We need some LowEndHousekeeping talk, damn it!

    If you leave milk out too long, it turns into yogurt. If you leave that out too long, it turns to cheese. If you leave that out too long, it'll help cure that rash on your peespots. If you leave it out longer than that, it becomes sentient and will destroy the planet.

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  • It's mostly an environmental and distance choice, from a technical perspective.

  • @Microlinux said:
    It's mostly an environmental and distance choice, from a technical perspective.

    500 ft? Fiber or copper? 3x10Gb uplinks

    I don't buy or sell any products on LET so don't ask me because the answer is NO.

  • @serverian said:

    @WSS said:
    Personally, I went with Stainless steel because it looks so much better than the brushed nickel.

    We need more nickel stuff in our lifes.

    The only problem with Nickel is that only LET providers will ever see one, because everyone else is too busy pinching pennies.

  • @WSS said:
    Personally, I went with Stainless steel because it looks so much better than the brushed nickel.

    Don't chase after looks, SS heats up fast but doesn't have high thermal capacity. Ever noticed that food gets burned on the underside but not well cooked otherwise? That is often the case with SS. Nothing bests copper for pans but it's rather expensive nowadays. Cast iron is second best but heavy as fuck and needs regular maintainance. It's easy, though, just wash it after usage, rub in mineral oil and heat up for 5-10 mins. It will be serve you for many years and much better than SS.

  • @Yura said:

    @WSS said:
    Personally, I went with Stainless steel because it looks so much better than the brushed nickel.

    Don't chase after looks, SS heats up fast but doesn't have high thermal capacity. Ever noticed that food gets burned on the underside but not well cooked otherwise? That is often the case with SS. Nothing bests copper for pans but it's rather expensive nowadays. Cast iron is second best but heavy as fuck and needs regular maintainance. It's easy, though, just wash it after usage, rub in mineral oil and heat up for 5-10 mins. It will be serve you for many years and much better than SS.

    Copper needs a ton of maintenance, too.

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  • @serverian said:

    @Yura said:

    @WSS said:
    Personally, I went with Stainless steel because it looks so much better than the brushed nickel.

    Don't chase after looks, SS heats up fast but doesn't have high thermal capacity. Ever noticed that food gets burned on the underside but not well cooked otherwise? That is often the case with SS. Nothing bests copper for pans but it's rather expensive nowadays. Cast iron is second best but heavy as fuck and needs regular maintainance. It's easy, though, just wash it after usage, rub in mineral oil and heat up for 5-10 mins. It will be serve you for many years and much better than SS.

    Copper needs a ton of maintenance, too.

    Fair point. When you have a classy lady you don't pinch pennies. Maybe a penis but not pennies.

  • I don't use copper POTS anymore- hell, I don't even have a land line.

  • @KeKe said:
    500 ft? Fiber or copper? 3x10Gb uplinks

    Fiber, copper wouldn't work at that distance.

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  • @WSS said:
    I don't use copper POTS anymore- hell, I don't even have a land line.

    Oh, you uppity BRI people!

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  • @Microlinux said:

    @WSS said:
    I don't use copper POTS anymore- hell, I don't even have a land line.

    Oh, you uppity BRI people!

    One might say I've Ascended.

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  • WSS said: Ascended

    I still have nightmares about the CLI on that gear . . .

  • @Microlinux said:

    WSS said: Ascended

    I still have nightmares about the CLI on that gear . . .

    The vt100 "GUI" wasn't a hell of a lot better.

    Goddamn- we're old.

  • @WSS said:

    @Microlinux said:

    WSS said: Ascended

    I still have nightmares about the CLI on that gear . . .

    The vt100 "GUI" wasn't a hell of a lot better.

    Goddamn- we're old.

    The worst part is we've still got one in production, thank the gods I haven't had to really touch it, save for swapping cards, for the better part of decade!

  • @Microlinux said:
    The worst part is we've still got one in production, thank the gods I haven't had to really touch it, save for swapping cards, for the better part of decade!

    Holy SHIT. That sucker's a warrior. I'd ask how you get parts, but Portmasters.com still exists, so..

  • WSS said: Holy SHIT. That sucker's a warrior. I'd ask how you get parts, but Portmasters.com still exists, so..

    Things been running since probably 2000 . . . we still have a pretty large stock of parts left over from the "glory days".

  • Something tells me that it knows we have spoken of it, and you're going to go red tomorrow.

  • WilliamWilliam Member, Provider

    Copper for more than 1G is practically non existent in the D/carrier market - the range is limited, too limited for medium-large DCs.

    Gbit depends - to your rack from ISP likely copper by ease of connection and ending up on a L2 device/trunk, from a carrier/meet-me likely fiber as you end up on a L3 device/router and it offers the 10G upgrade path easier.

  • @AshleyUk said:
    Fibre : No crosstalk, lower latency when running @ 10Gb, thinner physical size than bulky CAT7 cable, lower power requirements

    Copper : CAT7 may be cheaper than fibre, can easily be shortened / re-terminated

    not "may be cheaper," it IS cheaper than fibre :P

  • @WSS said:
    I don't use copper POTS anymore- hell, I don't even have a land line.

    Copper is poisonous just so you know, should not get in contact with food or water. :D

    For the OP, go with fiber, may be initially little bit more expensive but it's a investment in the future.

  • JackHJackH Moderator

    @Vita said:

    @WSS said:
    I don't use copper POTS anymore- hell, I don't even have a land line.

    Copper is poisonous just so you know, should not get in contact with food or water. :D

    For the OP, go with fiber, may be initially little bit more expensive but it's a investment in the future.

    Copper poisoning is NOT nice

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  • @Vita said:

    @WSS said:
    I don't use copper POTS anymore- hell, I don't even have a land line.

    Copper is poisonous just so you know, should not get in contact with food or water. :D

    FAKE NEWS!

    Copper is perfectly suited for cookware due to unparalleled heat distribution and highest thermal conductivity in non-noble metals. That's why best air coolers are made from copper. Copper can be toxic when in contact with acidic foods only. For such cases lining copper with tin, SS, nickel or silver is strictly necessary. Kickass stuff.

    I'm sick and tired of all these fakenews networks like CNN, MSNBC and FOX spreading copperphobic propaganda for their own aluminum (sic!) agenda. I have shocking news for victims of their evil programming: unlined copper can be completely safe and even preferable for cooking meringue, jellies and jams! Sweet delicious fruit sugar providers a nice buffer for fruit acids and nothing bad will happen to you.

    Eat, Chew, Love <3

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  • VitaVita Member
    edited February 2017

    @Yura Copper should be enameled in order for it to be used for cooking, and yes it has great conductive properties. If the enamel wears off you risk getting poisoned :). When you buy something that's used for cooking it's pre-enameled, but It can wear off after a lot of use.

  • @Vita said:
    @Yura Copper should be enameled in order for it to be used for cooking, and yes it has great conductive properties. If the enamel wears off you risk getting poisoned :).

    Did you read what I said about copper poisoning? If it's incorrect, please, provide evidence.

    YOU CNN ZOMBIE!

  • VitaVita Member
    edited February 2017

    @Yura said:

    @Vita said:
    @Yura Copper should be enameled in order for it to be used for cooking, and yes it has great conductive properties. If the enamel wears off you risk getting poisoned :).

    Did you read what I said about copper poisoning? If it's incorrect, please, provide evidence.

    YOU CNN ZOMBIE!

    Hahah I don't even watch CNN :D. Pure copper dishware (not enameled/coated) for cooking is not good for you.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_toxicity

  • @Vita said:

    @Yura said:

    @Vita said:
    @Yura Copper should be enameled in order for it to be used for cooking, and yes it has great conductive properties. If the enamel wears off you risk getting poisoned :).

    Did you read what I said about copper poisoning? If it's incorrect, please, provide evidence.

    YOU CNN ZOMBIE!

    Hahah I don't even watch CNN :D. Pure copper dishware (not enameled/coated) for cooking is not good for you.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Copper_toxicity

    I believe you don't watch CNN. I believe you don't read Wikipedia articles you post too:

    Cookware in which copper is the main structural element (as opposed to copper clad, copper sandwiched or copper colored) is sometimes manufactured without a lining when intended to be used for any of a number of specific culinary tasks, such as preparing preserves or meringues. Otherwise, copper cookware is lined with a non-reactive metal to prevent contact between acidic foods and the structural copper element of the cookware.
    Excepting for acute or chronic conditions, exposure to copper in cooking is generally considered harmless.[24]

    Which is exactly what I said above about lined and unlined copper cookware.

  • @Yura I like how you get obsessed about the topic :D. I just noted that cookware which is not enameled/coated/lined properly can cause copper poisoning. I'm not against using copper cookware which is properly enameled/coated/lined (whichever word you like). Just wanted to note that people sometimes just don't know about the dangers. In a lot of cultures copper cookware is used that is old and used a lot so the lining/coating is lost during to extended wear and people may get poisoned.

  • If you use copper in cookware, unless a maniac like the owner of that kitchen, it is very unlikely to have almost everything in copper, so, if you cook one meal a day in copperware, wont kill you.
    If you have Wilson's, even if you dont use copper in cooking, will still deposit in you. Otherwise, it is harmless, unless you use HCl as sauce.

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  • @Vita said:
    @Yura I like how you get obsessed about the topic :D.

    Aspergers is caused by chemtrails caused by shitty cookware.

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  • WilliamWilliam Member, Provider

    doghouch said: not "may be cheaper," it IS cheaper than fibre :P

    where? MM (plastic) fiber is way cheaper to buy than cat5/6/7 cables, SM (glass) about the same as cat5 and cheaper than 6 and 7.

  • @Maounique said:
    If you use copper in cookware, unless a maniac like the owner of that kitchen, it is very unlikely to have almost everything in copper, so, if you cook one meal a day in copperware, wont kill you.
    If you have Wilson's, even if you dont use copper in cooking, will still deposit in you. Otherwise, it is harmless, unless you use HCl as sauce.

    I heard that HCl comes out of your stomach. as long as you don't puke on the crappy food made, you'll be okay :D

  • @William said:

    doghouch said: not "may be cheaper," it IS cheaper than fibre :P

    where? MM (plastic) fiber is way cheaper to buy than cat5/6/7 cables, SM (glass) about the same as cat5 and cheaper than 6 and 7.

    Company near me basically hands out copper cable for free

  • @doghouch said:

    Company near me basically hands out copper cable for free

    Ping me when they hand out copper fondue. :p

  • WilliamWilliam Member, Provider

    doghouch said: Company near me basically hands out copper cable for free

    Yea, just checked, on very large deploys copper is cheaper still - if you use fixed len. cables OM3 fiber is a bit cheaper, CTA7 generally still has a premium.

  • You can make an argument that copper may be costlier in the long run since you're stuck with whatever speed it's rated for. It'll be obsoleted far sooner (relatively) than fiber.

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  • @Microlinux said:
    You can make an argument that copper may be costlier in the long run since you're stuck with whatever speed it's rated for. It'll be obsoleted far sooner (relatively) than fiber.

    Yeah, but most ISPs are in it for a quick buck

  • @doghouch said:
    Yeah, but most ISPs are in it for a quick buck

    Do you mean ISP in the traditional sense, as in proving Internet access to end users?

  • WSSWSS Member
    edited February 2017

    The better back and knee braces have copper fiber wound into them to help with sweat odors and the like. Plus, you can probably strain your icky soup through it for a little bit more flavor!

  • @Microlinux said:

    @doghouch said:
    Yeah, but most ISPs are in it for a quick buck

    Do you mean ISP in the traditional sense, as in proving Internet access to end users?

    Yep. For some countries, it is cheaper just to run copper, but then (t'was a mistake on my part) you'd need to be really close to the CO/distribution center to get decent speeds.

    Personally, while fiber to the home will offer great speeds, it's not worth retrofitting unless the ISP is entering the area. Depending on the fiber they use, it could be cheaper short-term because like DSL, phone can go through, and there is no longer a need to be uber close to your ISP.

  • @KeKe said:
    Both support 1g and 10g uplinks when do you choose fiber over copper besides length that is.

    Not sure if troll or joker because lack of information.

    Depends on where you live and if you're a customer or business.

  • WilliamWilliam Member, Provider

    This thread is about colo crossconnects, not end user... never was either.

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  • RadiRadi Member, Provider

    @doghouch said:

    >

    Company near me basically hands out copper cable for free

    How much per 2 km of cable?

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