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Best Place For A Chicago Dedicated Server i7 4790k?

MetallicGlossMetallicGloss Member, Provider

Hello.
I'm still quite new to LowEnd so if this is in the wrong place just let me know.

I am currently scanning providers for an i7 4790k dedicated server, with 32GB RAM and SSD storage in Chicago. After looking, there are hardly any hosts in Chicago that actually sell Intel Core servers, as they are mainly Xeon servers.

I currently have the same specs in New York & France for about $75-$85 so was looking around that price.

Does anyone have any recommendations for a host there, or could point me in the right direction as so far I have been unsuccessful.

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  • MrKaruppuMrKaruppu Member
    edited February 2017

    You might want to open a ticket or send an email to ChicagoVPS sales. @nick

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  • NickNick Moderator, Provider

    @MrKaruppu said:
    You might want to open a ticket or send an email to ChicagoVPS sales. @nick

    Thanks for the mention!

    While we don't have desktop grade CPU's we do have E3's etc. Why are you looking for the i7 vs E3?

  • ClouviderClouvider Member, Provider

    @Nick said:

    @MrKaruppu said:
    You might want to open a ticket or send an email to ChicagoVPS sales. @nick

    Thanks for the mention!

    While we don't have desktop grade CPU's we do have E3's etc. Why are you looking for the i7 vs E3?

    Same here, but he is probably after the clock speed vs stability.

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  • NickNick Moderator, Provider

    @Clouvider said:

    @Nick said:

    @MrKaruppu said:
    You might want to open a ticket or send an email to ChicagoVPS sales. @nick

    Thanks for the mention!

    While we don't have desktop grade CPU's we do have E3's etc. Why are you looking for the i7 vs E3?

    Same here, but he is probably after the clock speed vs stability.

    That's what I assumed.

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  • RhysRhys Member, Provider
    edited February 2017

    Brandon @ HostVenom or @OSTKCabal @ Ready2Frag (Same company different brands) might be able to do something for you.

  • Speak to Jay at ColoStore. Not quite in Chicago, but not far away.

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  • MetallicGlossMetallicGloss Member, Provider
    edited February 2017

    Thank you all for giving general guidance, it has definitely given me a base to work from.

    @Nick said:
    Why are you looking for the i7 vs E3?

    @Clouvider said:
    Same here, but he is probably after the clock speed vs stability.

    Indeed. Intel Core processors may not be as stable as Xeon processors, however, are MUCH more efficient and effective for game servers due to the speed of the threads. The reason for the i7 4790 is that we have found after testing it compared to an E3, E5 or larger i7 it does the best job at what we need it to do.

    @MeltedLux said:
    Brandon @ HostVenom or @OSTKCabal @ Ready2Frag (Same company different brands) might be able to do something for you.

    Unfortunately they have run out of stock for that processor, and after I made a ticket with them before opening this chat they have no clue if / when it will ever be back in stock, so could only suggest an E3. HostVenom does have Intel Core servers, however don't publically advertise the CPU im looking for, just the younger brother of it. Ill definately get in touch and see what they can do, thanks!

    @VortexMagnus said:
    Speak to Jay at ColoStore. Not quite in Chicago, but not far away.

    We don't need it slap bang in the centre of Chicago, just closer to that area than our current datacentre in New York City. Could I get the direct contact information for Jay?

  • I have no idea what they have, but Tzulo is pretty affordable and they offer colo / servers out Chicago. The network was a nice mix with the low latency I needed.

  • MetallicGlossMetallicGloss Member, Provider

    @Riz said:
    I have no idea what they have, but Tzulo is pretty affordable and they offer colo / servers out Chicago. The network was a nice mix with the low latency I needed.

    Thanks for the suggestions, however unfortunately they don't have any Intel Core servers, the colocation would be good however that isn't really what I am looking for.

  • @MetallicGloss said:

    @Riz said:
    I have no idea what they have, but Tzulo is pretty affordable and they offer colo / servers out Chicago. The network was a nice mix with the low latency I needed.

    Thanks for the suggestions, however unfortunately they don't have any Intel Core servers, the colocation would be good however that isn't really what I am looking for.

    Just email [email protected]

    Jay is a good guy.

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  • MetallicGlossMetallicGloss Member, Provider
    edited February 2017

    @VortexMagnus said:

    Just email [email protected]

    Jay is a good guy.

    I attempted to send him an email, and got an auto reply informing me to signup to their support system :P Ill see how it goes.

  • Try AYK Solutions. They resell from a lot of providers and could get you something from Tzulo. Last server I got from AYK was in Tzulo's Chicago facility.

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  • MetallicGlossMetallicGloss Member, Provider

    @doughmanes said:
    Try AYK Solutions. They resell from a lot of providers and could get you something from Tzulo. Last server I got from AYK was in Tzulo's Chicago facility.

    Thanks, I tried getting in touch, ill see what they can do.

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  • It seems to me that i7's and e3's of the same hw generation are similar in performance. I have an i7-3770 and an e3-1230v3 and if anything the e3 is a tad faster. And of course there are higher clocked e3's like the e3-1270 etc. The i7 does have the Intel GPU that the E3-1230 lacks, but the 12x5 models (E3-1245 etc) have it.

    If there's a benchmark you'd like to see on the i7 and e3 I mentioned, I could try running it.

    #lexit spread the word.

  • MetallicGlossMetallicGloss Member, Provider
    edited February 2017

    No thank you, as mentioned previously in this post. We did originally try running an E3 and an E5 processor, however, found the i7 to be much more stable for the software which we need to run. @willie

  • MetallicGloss said: found the i7 to be much more stable

    How can an i7 be more stable than an E3 ? Please explain.

  • MetallicGlossMetallicGloss Member, Provider
    edited February 2017

    We aren't running web applications; we are running game services which require the CPU to have a much higher clock rate to be able to run smoothly. Otherwise, the process becomes unstable or crashes. @FredQc

  • MetallicGloss said: require the CPU to have a much higher clock rate

    Are you overclocking the i7's somehow? What frequency do you run them at?

    #lexit spread the word.

  • SpartanHostSpartanHost Member, Provider

    @willie said:

    MetallicGloss said: require the CPU to have a much higher clock rate

    Are you overclocking the i7's somehow? What frequency do you run them at?

    The turbo clock of an E3 - 1270v5 is 4GHz. The i7-4790k's base is 4GHz, turbo up to 4.4GHz so considerably more than any E3 can achieve, of course, even further if there was overclocking involved.

  • SpartanHost said: The i7-4790k's base is 4GHz, turbo up to 4.4GHz so considerably more than any E3 can achieve, of course, even further if there was overclocking involved.

    I see, that makes sense, the K parts really are faster. If Quebec is ok, you can get a crazy overclocked i7-7700K server with 5ghz turbo:

    https://www.runabove.com/i7-kabylake-game-servers.xml

    Wow!

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    #lexit spread the word.

  • MikeAMikeA Member, Provider

    @willie said:

    SpartanHost said: The i7-4790k's base is 4GHz, turbo up to 4.4GHz so considerably more than any E3 can achieve, of course, even further if there was overclocking involved.

    I see, that makes sense, the K parts really are faster. If Quebec is ok, you can get a crazy overclocked i7-7700K server with 5ghz turbo:

    https://www.runabove.com/i7-kabylake-game-servers.xml

    Wow!

    Doesn't Runabove take back hardware/service once their testing period is over? Isn't Runabove just the testing platform?

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  • MikeA said: Doesn't Runabove take back hardware/service once their testing period is over? Isn't Runabove just the testing platform?

    Not sure what the situation is with that: you might be able to continue the service after it's handed over to OVH. OVH currently has some overclocked Skylake game servers but not yet Kaby lake.

    #lexit spread the word.

  • @MetallicGloss said:
    I am currently scanning providers for an i7 4790k dedicated server ... in Chicago

    I was looking for one too a while back and ended up going with OVH's Beauharnois DC in Canada for $79 per month. It's hard to find the 4790k at many locations. I needed it for the insane single thread speed. The latency was about double but very stable network and no problems with the server.

    On a side note, I think the 4790k is still the fastest single thread processor you can get. IMHO that is sad since this processor was released Q2'14

  • vish said:

    On a side note, I think the 4790k is still the fastest single thread processor you can get.

    Is that for real, compared with the 7700k which has both higher frequency and architectural improvements??

    cpubenchmark.net copypasta:

    • 12329, Intel Core i7-7700K @ 4.20GHz
    • 11185 Intel Core i7-4790K @ 4.00GHz

    That puts the 7700k at slightly higher passmark per ghz than the 4790k, plus running at higher frequency, plus being OC'd to 5 ghz at OVH, plus having a much more powerful graphics unit. But that's passmark which might not be the same type of workload.

    #lexit spread the word.

  • vishvish Member
    edited February 2017

    well I guess I'm wrong, I was using my previous information obtained from passmark but i just checked and it has been since updated

    url: https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html

    but yah, they are using a higher frequency so not sure how well that compares

    and look at the 6700k which was always much lower than the 4790k

  • here is a nice graph to show what I was referring to. Source is: https://www.fool.com/investing/2016/12/12/does-intels-core-i7-7700k-gaming-chip-deliver.aspx

  • Thanks, that's interesting. I hadn't thought to look at the single thread cpubenchmarks page. It's funny that the fastest of them all is an i3. And the % difference between the single thread 4790k and 7700k passmarks is smaller than the multicore passmark % difference.

    What kind of program is this, that becomes unstable unless it's running on the absolute fastest processors available?

    #lexit spread the word.

  • MetallicGlossMetallicGloss Member, Provider
    edited February 2017

    @SpartanHost said:

    @willie said:

    MetallicGloss said: require the CPU to have a much higher clock rate

    Are you overclocking the i7's somehow? What frequency do you run them at?

    The turbo clock of an E3 - 1270v5 is 4GHz. The i7-4790k's base is 4GHz, turbo up to 4.4GHz so considerably more than any E3 can achieve, of course, even further if there was overclocking involved.

    Yeah, its mainly because of the clockrate, which as mentioned above is the fastest recent CPU.

    @willie said:

    I see, that makes sense, the K parts really are faster. If Quebec is ok, you can get a crazy overclocked i7-7700K server with 5ghz turbo:

    https://www.runabove.com/i7-kabylake-game-servers.xml

    Unfortunately, as good as OVH/RunAbove is, we are not looking for servers there. We already own the exact specifications as originally listed in Quebec. We also own the same hardware with another company in New York, so the location is the main reason for purchasing.

    @willie said:
    Thanks, that's interesting. I hadn't thought to look at the single thread cpubenchmarks page. It's funny that the fastest of them all is an i3. And the % difference between the single thread 4790k and 7700k passmarks is smaller than the multicore passmark % difference.

    What kind of program is this, that becomes unstable unless it's running on the absolute fastest processors available?

    It doesn't need the absolute fastest processor, however we want to have the programs run on the best we can get for it. I run a GSP, so the programs being run are game servers. They need to be run at the highest performance, with the best CPU to be able to run smoothly without causing issues for players in game on a heavily developed server. We have found that this CPU runs games a LOT better than any E line of CPUs, and compared to other Intel Core CPUs which is why we need it specifically.

  • MetallicGloss said: I run a GSP, so the programs being run are game servers.

    You mean multiple game servers timesharing the cpu? Is it a matter of needing the server cpu to outcompute the fastest computers the players might be using, or something like that?

    MetallicGloss said: We have found that this CPU runs games a LOT better than any E line of CPUs

    Thanks, that's really interesting and surprising. Have you tried a slower i7, like a regular i7-4790 (non-K) and is that also stable? Have you tried a fast gpu-equipped e3, like an e3-1275v5? It seems worth trying to figure out what is going on.

    #lexit spread the word.

  • MetallicGlossMetallicGloss Member, Provider
    edited February 2017

    @willie said:

    You mean multiple game servers timesharing the cpu? Is it a matter of needing the server cpu to outcompute the fastest computers the players might be using, or something like that?

    Yeah, we run multiple game instances at the same time on the machine, each using a thread to operate (so the individual thread speed is a must). It isn't necessarily trying to outcompute what the players are using, more of the fact that if for example there are 8 game servers running; each with 20-50 people connected the server has to be able to keep the services running when under load, but still keeping it stable so that the in-game experience of the user is smooth.

    @willie said:

    Thanks, that's really interesting and surprising. Have you tried a slower i7, like a regular i7-4790 (non-K) and is that also stable? Have you tried a fast gpu-equipped e3, like an e3-1275v5? It seems worth trying to figure out what is going on.

    We tried using a non-k processor, which ran at 4GHz. It did the job, however, wasn't the best it could be. Don't get me wrong, it was still a lot better than all the other processors we tried, but you could feel it was slightly down on power.

    We haven't tried a GPU-equipped CPU that we know of; it might be worth a try soon if the thread speed is high. We initially tested with: i7 4790k, i7 6700k, E3-1270v5, E3 1231v3, D-1520 and E5-1650v4 however after testing all of those processors for our game services, not only had we run out of the funds to continue testing but there was a very clear winner even from that list. For that reason, we stuck with the i7 4790K, and currently, use it all the other datacentres we operate from. Having standard hardware with the same specs not only makes it easier for us, but also we know that it is going to be stable and do the job we need it to well.

  • SwiftnodeSwiftnode Member, Provider
    edited February 2017

    Keep in mind that Passmark results are not just server performance ratings. A lot of providers are running the 6700k/7700k processors in server motherboards (Such as the X11SSL-F) so generally you won't have the ability to push the chips past the turbo frequency.

    So in that regard, Passmark single thread performance results aren't perfect when you're looking for server providers. Some providers run desktop motherboards which allow you to overclock which would be your best bet.

    Stock 6700k beats stock 4790k.

    Stock 7700k beats stock 6700k.

    Overclocked 6700k beats overclocked 4790k.

    Overclocked 7700k beats overclocked 6700k.

    Just keep in mind when you're comparing the passmark stats that they're not going to be exact numbers, there are a ton of users who have overclocked 4790k chips who've ran benchmarks. And the 6700k and 7700k's will continue to rise on that list as time goes by. (As more overclocked results come in)

  • MetallicGloss said:

    We tried using a non-k processor, which ran at 4GHz. It did the job, however, wasn't the best it could be

    Can I ask how many threads you're running? If you're using hyperthreading to any extent (i.e. more than 4 active threads) then each one is losing considerable speed. With 8 threads each one gets maybe 60% of single core performance, i.e. you end up with a little less than the equivalent of 5 non-hyperthreaded cores. But if you turn off HT completely you get 4 threads each with 100% of single core performance. So that might help more than bleedging edge cpus, though of course you only get half as many game servers per cpu.

    #lexit spread the word.

  • MetallicGlossMetallicGloss Member, Provider
    edited February 2017

    @Swiftnode said:
    Some providers run desktop motherboards which allow you to overclock which would be your best bet.

    I believe that is currently what we have on our current hardware tbh.

    @Swiftnode said:
    Stock 6700k beats stock 4790k.

    Stock 7700k beats stock 6700k.

    Overclocked 6700k beats overclocked 4790k.

    Overclocked 7700k beats overclocked 6700k.

    Just keep in mind when you're comparing the passmark stats that they're not going to be exact numbers, there are a ton of users who have overclocked 4790k chips who've ran benchmarks. And the 6700k and 7700k's will continue to rise on that list as time goes by. (As more overclocked results come in)

    Don't get me wrong; they are excellent processors, I have a 6700K on my home desktop, however running the software and the programs on the same hardware. We found that the 4790k did slightly better than the 6700k (we haven't reached to the 7700k as those servers are still hella expensive). That and the fact that the 6700k machines are usually more costly by providers than the older hardware we have never have. We run the 4790k on all our other servers in other locations with no problem at all - maybe in the future, we can upgrade, but for the time we don't want to change what is already perfect for us, plus also spend more for no noticeable difference in performance.

    @willie said:
    Can I ask how many threads you're running? If you're using hyperthreading to any extent (i.e. more than 4 active threads) then each one is losing considerable speed.

    I do not believe we use hyperthreading at all; we looked at it, however, nothing ever came of it.

    @willie said:
    So that might help more than bleedging edge cpus, though of course you only get half as many game servers per cpu.

    Currently, we have no issues with the hardware we use, and have no wish to change until there is a large reason for us to do so. :) We will definitely look into it though to make sure the hyperthreading is not enabled.

    Current progress update for all future viewers of this thread

    So far, I have contacted 6 different companies with DCs in Chicago, most of them won't go anywhere near an Intel Core processor, with the couple that did only going with the i7 6700k but charging almost double that I currently pay for the 4790k in all the other locations I rent. So far, the only one I have some chance of is with Colostore and Jay. Still pending a response from him.

    VortexMagnus said: ak to Jay at ColoStore. Not quite in Chicago, but not far away.

  • GamerTech24GamerTech24 Member
    edited February 2017

    I know people who also use i7-4790k servers, mainly OVH MC32s to run game servers as well, for instance the Minecraft Java game server is single threaded and the i7-4790k runs the single threads a lot better than some other CPUs and high clock speeds as well helps with tick rates under high load so I see why it's desirable in that case. Some server owners swear by those CPUs for running that specific game. The server software still will run just fine on an E3, that's just one example though.

    I don't have any experience with games such as Source powered ones like TF2 or Counter-Strike so I can't speak on behalf of those games. A lot of newer MP game servers can take advantage of multiple CPU cores as once. I don't want to try and assume what specific game you're running but I've seen theads on the 4790k coming up before in the game server hosting industry, hence why OVHs first game server was a 4790k.

    As far as a i7-4790k dedicated server in Chicago goes I don't have a lot of suggestions on that

  • MetallicGlossMetallicGloss Member, Provider

    @ethancedrik said:
    for instance the Minecraft Java game server is single threaded and the i7-4790k runs the single threads a lot better than some other CPUs and high clock speeds as well helps with tick rates under high load so I see why it's desirable in that case. Some server owners swear by those CPUs for running that specific game.

    Yeah. :)

    @ethancedrik said:
    I don't want to try and assume what specific game you're running but I've seen theads on the 4790k coming up before in the game server hosting industry, hence why OVHs first game server was a 4790k.

    As far as a i7-4790k dedicated server in Chicago goes I don't have a lot of suggestions on that

    No problem, if I don't get a response back from Jay from Colostore ill just look to colocating some servers in Chicago. But yeah, the CPU is decent in the game world.

  • GamerTech24GamerTech24 Member
    edited February 2017

    MetallicGloss said: if I don't get a response back from Jay from Colostore ill just look to colocating some servers in Chicago.

    Yeah, if you can find someone that offers colocation in Equinix's Chicago datacenter that is a pretty nice place to keep your servers http://www.equinix.com/locations/united-states-colocation/chicago-data-centers/

    Hopefully you'll be able to find something under $100

  • i7 goes in your basement, where it belongs.

  • Something really seems wrong with that software if it demands a specific rare processor whose performance is just a few percent different from a more common one.

    #lexit spread the word.

  • MetallicGlossMetallicGloss Member, Provider
    edited February 2017

    @ethancedrik said:

    Yeah, if you can find someone that offers colocation in Equinix's Chicago datacenter that is a pretty nice place to keep your servers http://www.equinix.com/locations/united-states-colocation/chicago-data-centers/

    Hopefully you'll be able to find something under $100

    Thank you, currently have quotes between $65 - $80

    @Hxxx said:
    i7 goes in your basement, where it belongs.

    I wish it could but it's suck in datacentres and hones around the worls being used for gaming and hosting. :P

    @willie said:
    Something really seems wrong with that software if it demands a specific rare processor whose performance is just a few percent different from a more common one.

    Sorry if I haven't been clear, the software itself doesn't need a specific 'rare' processor to run, however as mentioned we have found it runs best due to the clockrate - haven't tried the 7700k yet - and it is more stable and smooth to run.

    The programs are game servers, and as you are aware they also run on most other CPUs but comparing the performance to an E3 for servers isn't anywhere near as good, E5s may be, but are also a LOT more expensive.

    This is the same answer for a lot of others that this 'rare' processor seems to do the job quite a bit better than a more expensive one. This is the reason why OVH (multi billion dollar datacentre organisation with 10+ datacentres) use it as their CPU of choice for their smaller game dedis, and why NitrousNetworks (one of the biggest if not the biggest Game Service Provider) also use them.

    Ill be more than happy to continue this thread if anyone wishes to ask questions.

    In answer to my original question I now have an answer:

    Option 1 - Colocate in Chicago, current companies I am looking at are USDedicated and HostVenom.

    Option 2 - NavicoSoft have offered the exact specs I need for $84 in Chicago.

  • MetallicGloss said: as mentioned we have found it runs best due to the clockrate - haven't tried the 7700k yet - and it is more stable and smooth to run.

    That's what I mean, if the software becomes unstable or rough with a slightly slower processor, I'd say it requires the faster processor, which tells me something is wrong.

    E5's tend to have more cores and more total performance than E3's, but the single thread performance is usually worse.

    #lexit spread the word.

  • MetallicGlossMetallicGloss Member, Provider

    @willie said:
    That's what I mean, if the software becomes unstable or rough with a slightly slower processor, I'd say it requires the faster processor, which tells me something is wrong.

    Yeah, I can see where you are coming from - from testing that is our result and seems to be for lots of others. Most of the games we run are single thread such as Garrys Mod.

    We have found the exact specs we need, and we know they do the job as we need them to so they are the specs we will be sticking with. We now have a quote for the specs so will be going through with that order shortly.

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