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Singapore super cheap MiniPC dedicated servers in a homelab Dynamic IP NAT network?
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Singapore super cheap MiniPC dedicated servers in a homelab Dynamic IP NAT network?

MichaelBuiMichaelBui Member
edited December 2016 in General

Hi,

I'm in Singapore and setting up homelab MiniPC servers under a Dynamic IP NAT network.
Since there are quite number of requests for Asia servers, I'm wondering if anybody is interested in a dedicated server in that network at very cheap price. E.g:

Low-End Servers:

  • CPU: Intel Quad Core J1900
  • RAM: 4GB DDR3 1600Ghz
  • HDD: 64GB SSD
  • Price: $19.95/mth (1yr) or $29.95 (6mths)

--- OR:

High-End Servers:

  • CPU: Intel Core i7 7500u
  • RAM: 16GB DDR3 1600Ghz
  • HDD: 256GB SSD
  • Price: $54.95/mth (1yr) or $74.95 (6mths)

I'm not sure if this is a good idea but I'm open for all feedbacks.

UPDATE #1:

  • It's dynamic IP but I have static hostname pointed to my network, so don't worry so much.
  • Please keep in mind that this server should only be used for development or running small & medium businesses.
  • If someone has an issue with making full payment up-front, I'm still open for pricing and other payment schemes. Please do let me know in PM if you want to discuss more on this.
  • Also I will open this opportunity only until 31/12/2

Thanks :)

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Comments

  • rm_rm_ Member
    edited December 2016

    Nobody is prepaying you for 6 months, let alone for a year. If you wanted to scam, take that as a hint that it's not gonna work. If you for some reason seriously believed someone would, you need to go see a doctor to have your head checked.

  • hzrhzr Member, Moderator

    i'd pay leaseweb less for more..

  • winnervpswinnervps Member, Provider

    Hi @MichaelBui, referred to our personal message last time. Your best bet would be our Smart Server.
    We are willing to open a reseller schema for you (for this smart server type, we don't do actual reselling schema). That is most sustainable for business, indeed.

    WINNERvps | Jakarta Tier3 DataCenter and Network Services

  • edited December 2016

    I hope you're kidding about providing servers run from a home environment.

    Good luck with the ISPs in SG if you've got abusive users, haha.

    (also, have fun with the throttled speeds when you saturate your upload port for a period of time)

    My comments are mine and mine alone, and do not reflect the opinion of my business and operations. Ex-wellknown shitposter.

  • NeoonNeoon Member
    edited December 2016

    "Dynamic IP NAT network"

    "dedicated"

    Rank: Member

  • Most asians like SG servers cause it's the closest and cheapest they can get, with network specification you've described i'll be better build my own server in home, at least i can get a public IP with whole port opened, not the NAT one.

  • What is the bandwidth ? Without a good bandwidth, this is just useless

  • ExpertVMExpertVM Member, Provider

    Consider carefully before you provide such services in your home network. You are responsible for any legal issue on your network. Do read your provider TOS carefully.

    ExpertVM.com - Singapore Based Low End Provider.
  • tmwctmwc Member
    edited December 2016

    The high-end server is pretty expensive.
    The monthly price comes out to a cool $659.40 in USD yearly.
    I could easily build 2-3 servers with rack on that money.

    [~] - my website
    discord - tilda#9999

  • @rm_ I'm not scamming and I'll never do that. Please read my posts here if you any of them smell like scam. This idea is not for making profit or running a business. I just want to help people that need a server in Singapore or Asia at a cheap prices compare to low-end servers they are offered on the market for $49.

    @winnervps Your price is too high

    @theroyalstudent, @ExpertVM Thanks for your precaution! I will surely considerit :)

    @heanseng Bandwidth is unlimited on shared 1Gbps fibre network connection

    @brian777, @tmwc If you are at home with a good network connection, I also recommend you to build it by your self. But please think of power consumption as well. Normal 1U server easily cost you $30-$40/mth for electric.

    @all: It's dynamic IP but I have static hostname pointed to my network, so don't worry so much.

    Please keep in mind that this server should only be used for development or running small & medium businesses.

    If someone has an issue with making full payment up-front, I'm still open for pricing and other payment schemes. Please do let me know in PM if you want to discuss more on this.

    Also I will open this opportunity only until 31/12/2016.

  • @MichaelBui if you couldn't afford @winnervps from your prior singapore server requested thread. How can you afford everything for this non-profit, benevolent adventure out fo your home? Seems you have n money and thus need the prepayments to get started.

  • MichaelBuiMichaelBui Member
    edited December 2016

    @OhMyMy: I didn't say I don't have enough money. But that I have more than enough money doesn't mean I will pay for it. I just feel that its price is too high compared to its specs and I would prefer myself to build it to save a lot of money from that and still have a good server to run for my development and my small business websites. Because of that same reason, I wanted to share this opportunity to other people.

  • winnervpswinnervps Member, Provider
    edited December 2016

    Affordable vs non-affordable (in terms of price) has been paradox debates that last forever between buyer and seller, IMO. That's why there is a demand and a supply (that what I learned and read from the book in terms of economic) and those has been a major construction factor for, what we called, a "price"


    My suggestion for you @MichaelBui, is just giving them for a try for at least 2 or 3 months for free (that what the lowest price means after all, right? The price is too damn low!!!), after that they can conclude something for you. If you can afford that, then it's a business, and someone will come across this "probability". Somehow months or so ago, I read also people here was offering the same case as you in Japan (just forgot who is who).

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  • rm_ said: you need to go see a doctor to have your head checked.

    You're completely right, but lets not say that aloud shall we?

  • Does is come with ipmi, how about os reinstalls? Whats the uptime policy?

  • There was a LET regular in California who offered something like this from his apartment a while back. I don't know if anything ever got running, but it had its attractions as a poor person's colo.

    For this SG thing maybe there should be a midrange option. I'm not a likely user any way though, since I don't care that much about Asia bandwidth, so mostly compare to other faraway dedicated server offers.

    #lexit spread the word.

  • @thharris Sorry there aren't any IPMI but I can help to reinstall OS once or twice per month for free. About uptime, last time I run my server it's about 99% so I think I can guarantee at 95% or more.

    @willie I do have many options for mid-range servers as well. The servers above are just samples only.

  • manlivomanlivo Member without signature

    Can you post a result of freevps benchmark on your server?

  • What if someone were to buy you an IPKVM switch lol for IPMI with their server, also does your ISP allow you to order additional IPs? Some providers like Comcast and Verizon allow you to over here if you're on a business plan for fees.

  • eLohkCalbeLohkCalb Member
    edited December 2016

    MichaelBui said: running small & medium businesses

    I sincerely hope no one would go with this option for business, at least not for those serious businesses.

    @ethancedrik, yes Singapore ISPs do provide static IPs (there's a limit) for business broadband, but the price is definitely higher than residential broadband. And if I remember correctly, it is currently not possible to get business broadband at residential address, and vice-versa.

    © 2011-2019 eLohkCalb

  • @ethancedrik You can get static IPs on Comcast and Centurylink on the residential side, both let you set rDNS and Centurylink will even SWIP them to you (Comcast may too). Problem is they are $2 an IPv4, and if you ever upgrade or downgrade on Centurylink they will change all of your IPs. I've considered ordering a block in the past on my gigabit symmetrical fiber so I could run a Tor Exit on a dedicated IPv4.

  • MichaelBuiMichaelBui Member
    edited December 2016

    @ethancedrik: as @eLohkCalb mentioned, my ISP does provide static IP but I found no benefit running on static IP when I have my router auto update the dynamic IP (which is very rare to be change as I have been monitoring) to my hostname, especially when they don't provide multiple IPs.

    @all: These are options I can list out for now:

    (red is low-end, green is high-end, lighter colours are more recommended)

    Ref: http://imgur.com/RecJdIe

  • Static ips are so over rated

  • @thharris: totally agreed. I have been running my website from home servers (Raspberry Pi 2 & 3 and 1U rack HP ProLiant DL360) very smoothly without a need of a static IP at all :)

  • trewqtrewq Administrator, Moderator, Provider

    @MichaelBui said:
    @thharris: totally agreed. I have been running my website from home servers (Raspberry Pi 2 & 3 and 1U rack HP ProLiant DL360) very smoothly without a need of a static IP at all :)

    Wow. Could you explain why you would anyone buy from you? You don't offer anything value added actually quite the opposite, you would be offering a service that does not have a market.

  • hzrhzr Member, Moderator
    edited December 2016

    I'll take a 4/64 for 10-15 SGD paid monthly. PayPal.

    Will post review after.

  • @trewq You may not understand the Singapore market where local dedicated server are incredibly expensive.

    @hzr The price is in USD for 12mth contract. If you want to pay monthly for that option, please pay $19.95 (~S$29). For payment details, you can PM me. Thanks!

    Also please note that I will collect all order by end of 31/12. You don't have to make payment before that but the earlier the better for me to arrange as it may take 3-7 days to have your server online due to high requests.

  • trewqtrewq Administrator, Moderator, Provider

    @MichaelBui said:
    @trewq You may not understand the Singapore market where local dedicated server are incredibly expensive.

    I'm from Australia. I'm more than aware of the costs.

    Why would someone want a server in your home? That presents major security risks.

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  • wjtwjt Member
    edited December 2016

    You're offering a new service, unregistered company, and asking for yearly payment. While it's true SG servers are expensive, but that cost has a reason. If you think you can fill in the gap (providing cheaper servers that are more or equally powerful and with redundancy), then make it proper to gain trust before asking for any payment.

  • @trewq If you are aware of the cost, then you should know the main reason. It's all about money.

    About privacy concerns, if you go all the way down to the road, it's all about trust. I know nobody have tried and people have no ideas but all I can say now it I will guarantee the privacy so for people who going to try the servers, I will ask for their feedback soon (1 or few months)

    @wjt I don't ask people to pay 12mth upfront if they don't want to. They still can pay monthly that will certainly be higher price but lower risk. I'm fine with both even in my side it's more risky if they quit in the middle because of the server costs. And I do think it's pretty fair for both sides.

  • trewqtrewq Administrator, Moderator, Provider

    @MichaelBui said:
    @trewq If you are aware of the cost, then you should know the main reason. It's all about money.

    About privacy concerns, if you go all the way down to the road, it's all about trust. I know nobody have tried and people have no ideas but all I can say now it I will guarantee the privacy so for people who going to try the servers, I will ask for their feedback soon (1 or few months)

    So you have security on-site 24/7? I can't express to you enough how much of a bad idea this is.

  • @trewq I'm not running a professional server & hosting business so there will be missing here and there for sure! I'm only targeting on people who need SG/Asia at low cost for development & small/medium businesses that don't have to pay much for what's not really needed.

    So, to be clear I'm not here to compete any providers (and I certainly cannot) or running a real business. Because i'm setting up my home network of mini/micro servers, I just want to share this opportunity with others who's looking for a good local/Asia server at more affordable prices.

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  • trewqtrewq Administrator, Moderator, Provider
    edited December 2016

    @MichaelBui said:
    @trewq I'm not running a professional server & hosting business so there will be missing here and there for sure! I'm only targeting on people who need SG/Asia at low cost for development & small/medium businesses that don't have to pay much for what's not really needed.

    So, to be clear I'm not here to compete any providers (and I certainly cannot) or running a real business. Because i'm setting up my home network of mini/micro servers, I just want to share this opportunity with others who's looking for a good local/Asia server at more affordable prices.

    Just remember you can not post an offer here until you meet all the requirements.

  • MichaelBuiMichaelBui Member
    edited December 2016

    @trewq: I'm not really making offers here as I'm not encouraging everybody to join. I'm just looking only some people who's looking for the same things with me to join and we can setup the network together. I'm risking my server costs but I'm happy if I can find some friends.

    Also, I'm a web architecture, not a businessman :)

  • winnervpswinnervps Member, Provider
    edited December 2016

    @MichaelBui said:
    @trewq I'm not running a professional server & hosting business so there will be missing here and there for sure! I'm only targeting on people who need SG/Asia at low cost for development & small/medium businesses that don't have to pay much for what's not really needed.

    So, to be clear I'm not here to compete any providers (and I certainly cannot) or running a real business. Because i'm setting up my home network of mini/micro servers, I just want to share this opportunity with others who's looking for a good local/Asia server at more affordable prices. Or doing a charity business model :) G o o g l e, indeed, give everyone their email in the first 5 years of their operation.

    If you're asking for a people's money then you are running a business (no matter is the reason behind it). Otherwise just take my previous suggestion. Just give them a try for this 1 or 2 months for free.


    @trewq just afraid that you will be the same as many of 'others' that had been running nowhere after receiving "enough money" although the main situation might be the same, that they were all there to help people here to get rid of "dirt expensive cost". So a "help" indeed might become a disaster in the future.

    WINNERvps | Jakarta Tier3 DataCenter and Network Services

  • Why not just get a Linode for $20/mo and get raid10 and 4GB RAM and a whole team of support and can cancel at anytime and is KVM?

  • MichaelBuiMichaelBui Member
    edited December 2016

    Hmm, don't get me wrong @winnervps! I know you are running the business and I seem to be a threat in your market but no, you are serving serious businesses a lot of values the I will never provide: dedicate IP, auto backup services, cloud architecture,...

    Originally I expected people here to help me how to build a network better rather than pointing the finger to me like that I'm scamming or joking.

    Also, the payment is for sharing the cost (server costs, electric, my working affords,...) and for people who are seriously interested. Otherwise there will be hundreds or thousands of request for FREE servers and I can't afford that too risky cost. I can give my friends 1 or 2 months for free in return to their trust on me.

    Last but not least, I'm fine if nobody interested but I feel I'm lucky because there still some people who trust me and give me a chance. I'm very thankful of them :)

  • winnervpswinnervps Member, Provider
    edited December 2016

    @MichaelBui, please don't take it personally :D. We are running a business (because we take other's people money and we declare it -i'm not going to offense you as this thread was meant for a suggestion, right) and there is nothing wrong in writing some wisdom in this thread.

    I frequently fly to SG, btw. Where do you live? I usually stay near Outram or Chinatown. If you have the time, surely I'll let u know my next trip there, and we can discuss anything you'd like

    WINNERvps | Jakarta Tier3 DataCenter and Network Services

  • MichaelBui said: I know you are running the business and I seem to be a threat in your market

    LOL

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  • winnervpswinnervps Member, Provider
    edited December 2016

    @rm_ said:

    MichaelBui said: I know you are running the business and I seem to be a threat in your market

    LOL

    That was the personal. Everyone here who is running their own business in SG market seems to be threats for this guys, after all ;) But I don't want to ruin his dreams after all. I've seen people in big dreams in forex industry. They will only learn after they experienced it (everyone can't teach or even give words to them). So, let's get back to his dream (that is personal too ;:))

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  • @winnervps I don't really care much with people like @rm_. I'm not running a business and I'm not doing this for profit. I'm not a threat (and I cannot be a threat - I want to repeat again). This is also not my dream as I have a good salary with a great company (you also know the name, I pretty sure!!!)

    @winnervps About meeting, feel free to contact me when you have a trip to SG & we can have a coffee together. I've love to meet people cos I learnt a lot every single time :)

  • I only deal with home-based dynamic IP hosts in Singapore for all of my Forex needs.

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  • WSS said: I only deal with home-based dynamic IP hosts in Singapore for all of my Forex needs.

    Why for Forex?

  • @MichaelBui said:

    WSS said: I only deal with home-based dynamic IP hosts in Singapore for all of my Forex needs.

    Why for Forex?

    That's how you get the bitches with the fake titties.

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  • winnervpswinnervps Member, Provider
    edited December 2016

    @WSS said:
    I only deal with home-based dynamic IP hosts in Singapore for all of my Forex needs.
    @MichaelBui said:

    WSS said: I only deal with home-based dynamic IP hosts in Singapore for all of my Forex needs.

    Why for Forex?

    He is doing a TB (trading balance) using different home IP ;) hahahahaha

    WINNERvps | Jakarta Tier3 DataCenter and Network Services

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  • I'm just wondering who your target customers are?

    What benefit do they get from hosting with you? If I want to host a website (on port 80) with my own domain name, how would you be able to do that with a dynamic IP? If I just want to play around with a server, why should I host with you instead of plugging in a computer to my own ISP?

    Since this is not for profit, what are you doing this for? Perhaps it would help if you're clear about what are you offering, who are you targeting at, and what are the needs of these people (and their capabilities).

  • @hwt

    • I'm targeting to people who need a server for development or running small/medium businesses that doesn't require much server features.
    • I will create a Nginx/HAProxy on the port 80 and anybody who want to have their website hosted on port 80 can tell me & I will add a record to forward port 80 on that domain/hostname to his server. Dynamic IP doesn't mean anything here as I already have a public hostname updated whenever IP is changed.
    • You can plug your own computer to your ISP but then you will need to deal with multiple things: open your web/services to public, electric cost,... I know most of people here can do that easily but still have many people who cannot.
    • Since I'm setting up my network, other people can help me share some cost & I will take some more afford to get a dedicated server for them with much lower price.

    I hope that clear your concerns :)

    1. If I'm running a small business, what would my needs be? Will you be setting up and handling my emails and website for me? If you are expecting me to know all these, honestly, I'd be running my own server instead of hosting it with you. If not, why should I pay that much when I can just get a web hosting at a cheaper price?

    2. How would I set my DNS record to point to your public hostname? Using CNAME? CNAME is an alias, which means that at the end of the day, the hostname to the HAProxy will be your public hostname. Nginx/HAProxy will need the original hostname to work, so end of the day, you will still need a static IP. Personally, I doubt any reputable business will want to use a random DDNS. You may want to think harder before you try to make a business proposal.

    3. Again, if the person/company can't take care of port forwarding, I doubt they will be able to run their own dedicated server.

    4. What exactly does it mean by setting up your network? Registering for dynamic DNS and running the DDNS update client?

  • @hwt

    1. Different people have different needs & expectations. I can setup a home server network but I'm still looking for a VPS/Cloud server.
    2. You need to understand more with Nginx/HAProxy before comment this. At least you need to try actual situation before come to the conclusion.
    3. People don't have to take care of port forwarding. Only for default ports (80 & 443) need to do special setting that I'm willing to help.
    4. "network" is not simply a set of connections, IPs & ports. By saying "network" I mean (but not limited to) the servers as well.
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