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NAT'ed VPS
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NAT'ed VPS

bcrlsnbcrlsn Member
edited April 2013 in General

Anyone out there offering NAT'ed VPS like LowEndSpirit or just IPV6 to save on cost?

Just curious.

Visual Artist/Nerd from Los Angeles, Ca. Has a strange addiction to servers.

Comments

  • skirtTightskirtTight Member
    edited April 2013

    I wish people offered 32mb-256mb ipv6 only instances.

  • jarjar Provider

    Until I'm on a 33mhz core and 8mb ram with 100mb storage I'm not happy. I like my Windows 3.1 to boot up slow.

    You just reminded me to buy a vps from lowendspirit. There goes another $4 :P

    "Note that Romania has laws agains all the illegal activities just like US, including copyright. Is not the Dracula's country or no man's land as you thought." - Random email from someone I don't know, about nothing I've done or said

  • Things will change for the better when @soluslabs supports V6-only VPSs.

    Discord: robert#8239

  • @jarland said: Until I'm on a 33mhz core and 8mb

    but nobody needs more than 512k???

  • NickONickO Member

    @RobertClarke said: Things will change for the better when @soluslabs supports V6-only VPSs.

    They do... Just use internal IP's.

  • rskrsk Member, Provider

    @RobertClarke said: Things will change for the better when @soluslabs supports V6-only VPSs.

    @NickO said: They do... Just use internal IP's.

    Yeah :P

    But the thing with NAT'd vps's, it is hard to keep track of abuse. Else you would have to log what your clients are doing ... something no one wants. Otherwise you would have to keep playing with ports and what not. PITA. I wouldn't mind offering ipv6 only, but not NAT'd "hybrid" ones.

  • @rsk you can make a custom script that removes the IPv4 address from the VPS after it is created. That's what i did for our ipv6-only VPS offer two years ago.

    -

  • rskrsk Member, Provider

    @rd100 we just use an LAN-IP actually when we used to do it. Although it doesn't really work, it is just used as an identifier. The client then has his shared ipv4 address and his dedicated ipv6 address.

    The only problem like we had before is how we can monitor/trace abuse if for example I have 10 people sharing the same ipv4. It will not be viable to just say well, I have these 10 clients and they are sharing the IP, it is one of them ...

  • rm_rm_ Member
    edited April 2013

    Indeed, I'd say NAT'ed IPv4 is a disaster waiting to happen.

    One of the LowEndSpirit clients can easily start uploading child porn via the v4 NAT, and @AnthonySmith will not be able to say anything other than "I dunno, it's one of the clients". Oh and btw as a LowEndSpirit client, would you absolutely love to appear on that list of 20-30 people that is handed to authorities as "one of those is a child molester".

    So unless you have complete continuous netflow logging in place (like real ISPs do!!!), don't provide outgoing IPv4 NAT. And wtf one would need it for anyway, why would you want to connect to IPv4 destinations from your IPv6 VPS? Most OSes have IPv6-capable mirrors, or the provider/dc can provide one. Etc. You can install, use and update your OS on v6-only without any problem. Providing v4 NAT is just pandering to lazy people.

  • @rm_ said: will not be able to say anything other than "I dunno, it's one of the clients".

    Oh be nice!

    I am no longer active here, find me at https://talk.lowendspirit.com

  • rskrsk Member, Provider
  • rm_rm_ Member
    edited April 2013

    @AnthonySmith said: Oh be nice!

    Wrong answer (and I am being nice to you); correct answer would be: you are mistaken, no one has any reason to worry, I have all the logging in place (describe which software or mechanism is used and the actual set-up, i.e. what and how is logged), etc etc etc.

  • FreekFreek Member
    edited April 2013

    @bcarlsonmedia said: Anyone out there offering NAT'ed VPS like LowEndSpirit or just IPV6 to save on cost?

    Offer with just IPv6:
    http://serverhosting.1awww.com/en/virtual-servers/best-vserver_en/best-vserver-start_en.html
    11GB HDD
    200MB RAM / 400MB Burst
    1CPU
    Flat/Unmetered 100Mbit (Shared)
    Location: Germany
    1 euro / month

    @rm_ said: And wtf one would need it for anyway

    Many resident internet connections still do not have native IPv6. So if you're going to host a website on Ipv6 only, it'll be a little lonely.
    Sure you can use tunnelbroker and all that kind of stuff, but isn't that roughly the same as NAT IPv4?

    Linux noob willing to learn.

  • rm_rm_ Member
    edited April 2013

    @Freek said: So if you're going to host a website on Ipv6 only

    NAT IPv4 means support for you connecting out from your VPS to IPv4 hosts.
    Hosting websites accessible from IPv4 is achieved by other means, i.e. either incoming port forwarding or reverse proxy. Also those don't present any problems like what we described above regarding IPv4 NAT, and are at least somewhat useful, yes.

  • Well, it may be nice to have extremely cheap options to work with, just for fun. Not expecting much out of it at this point. But I could use it as an internal thing for my VPS that do have IPv6 on them.

    I have not yet learned as much about IPv6 as I should. I figure it's still quite a long ways off considering that most houses(read customers) don't have IPv6.

    Visual Artist/Nerd from Los Angeles, Ca. Has a strange addiction to servers.
  • mpkossenmpkossen Member
    edited April 2013

    @RobertClarke said: Things will change for the better when @soluslabs supports V6-only VPSs.

    Or when people stop using SolusVM ;-)

    @prometeus used to have a backup solution with just IPv6. I still have one of those.

    I recommend Prometeus, the best provider ever!

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