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I committed fraud by charging back a payment

kkhostkkhost Member
edited December 2016 in Help

@kazila
This is a Bitch service like you,give justice Please help me!

Things are as follows

It's not our abilities that show what we truly are,it is our choices.

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  • kkhostkkhost Member
    edited December 2016

    Beware of fraud, it is likely that the next one is you, don't be fooled to buy

    It's not our abilities that show what we truly are,it is our choices.

  • zafouharzafouhar Member
    edited December 2016

    I can't see how Nate is fraud, any provider would have done the same thing and most would not even give you a second chance.

    Once you perform a chargeback most providers will just terminate your services and close your account so in my opinion Nate already went above and beyond by offering you a second chance to reverse the chargeback which you didn't do.

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  • So, you paid 15 usd for a 15 usd service, then topped up your account by another 30 usd, realized that to be a mistake and charged back the 30 usd.

    That makes you an asshole, because that chargeback costs the company money (more than the 30 usd you got back)

    The one committing fraud here is you, abusing the chargeback system.

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  • IshaqIshaq Member, Provider

    I have adjusted the title to be more accurate, I hope they put your details on FraudRecord.

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  • @dotted said:
    Ban-hammer ETA : 2 hours.

    Generous estimate to be honest.

  • IshaqIshaq Member, Provider

    @kkhost

    Don't edit the title again unless you want a ban.

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  • @Ishaq said:
    I have adjusted the title to be more accurate, I hope they put your details on FraudRecord.

    Thx, now they don't respond, and modified my VPS password

    It's not our abilities that show what we truly are,it is our choices.

  • This is stellar customer service from Nate at @kazila . I wouldn't even have given you a second chance. In fact, I would have closed your account and forwarded all your information to FraudRecord for filing that chargeback.

    You need to contact the provider before you initiate a chargeback. It's not a mechanism for getting an automatic refund.

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  • You made a chargeback a now making them fraud? What a ass

  • kkhost said: Thx, now they don't respond, and modified my VPS password

    You need to immediately rescind that chargeback at your bank.

  • @Ishaq said:
    I have adjusted the title to be more accurate,

    Noticed this thread only after you edited the title, so I thought OP was making a confession :D

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  • @jiggawattz said:

    kkhost said: Thx, now they don't respond, and modified my VPS password

    You need to immediately rescind that chargeback at your bank.

    I have contacted the bank, the bank give me the reply is: They can’t cancel the instructions until you(the seller) raise objections

    Kazila No respon

    All he can take the initiative to control the resources, if only need to deal with $30 event, there is no need to modify the VPS password

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  • My comments are mine and mine alone, and do not reflect the opinion of my business

  • stop bitching around..

  • @kkhost said:

    @jiggawattz said:

    kkhost said: Thx, now they don't respond, and modified my VPS password

    You need to immediately rescind that chargeback at your bank.

    I have contacted the bank, the bank give me the reply is: They can’t cancel the instructions until you(the seller) raise objections

    Kazila No respon

    All he can take the initiative to control the resources, if only need to deal with $30 event, there is no need to modify the VPS password

    Add another $30 to your account and promise them you won't chargeback.

  • @jesin said:

    @kkhost said:

    @jiggawattz said:

    kkhost said: Thx, now they don't respond, and modified my VPS password

    You need to immediately rescind that chargeback at your bank.

    I have contacted the bank, the bank give me the reply is: They can’t cancel the instructions until you(the seller) raise objections

    Kazila No respon

    All he can take the initiative to control the resources, if only need to deal with $30 event, there is no need to modify the VPS password

    Add another $30 to your account and promise them you won't chargeback.

    and cover any fees incurred.

  • wow..

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  • kkhostkkhost Member
    edited December 2016

    @IThinkUFailed said:

    @jesin said:

    @kkhost said:

    @jiggawattz said:

    kkhost said: Thx, now they don't respond, and modified my VPS password

    You need to immediately rescind that chargeback at your bank.

    I have contacted the bank, the bank give me the reply is: They can’t cancel the instructions until you(the seller) raise objections

    Kazila No respon

    All he can take the initiative to control the resources, if only need to deal with $30 event, there is no need to modify the VPS password

    Add another $30 to your account and promise them you won't chargeback.

    and cover any fees incurred.

    So it's all just arbitrary clause overbearing clause?

    So the seller provides services and the money involved is equal to one thing?

    It's not our abilities that show what we truly are,it is our choices.

  • kkhost said: So it's all just arbitrary clause overbearing clause?

    So the seller provides services and the money involved is equal to one thing?

    This was 100% your fault, charging back on a credit card is not a 'mistake' you have to tell the credit card company you did not authorize the payment, this means you lied.

    You could have just opened a ticket to get it resolved.

    By charging back you cost the host time and money and time is not free, 99 out of 100 hosts would have just closed your account and not communicated with you any further.

    This also damages the hosts reputation with the payment processor which cannot now be fixed because you say it was an accident.

    This was absolutely your fault, there is no fraud or malicious intent by the host, they are under no obligation to go through a challenge with your credit card issuer, they have no reason to trust any further payments from you will not be charged back.

    The correct thing to do in this instance if it really was a mistake is apologize and move on, not start a thread further slandering them which shows you really do want to cause as much damage as possible.

    Completely ridiculous, your username is kkhost, I really hope you do not take any money for hosting anything, you will find out sooner or later how stupid this is if you do when the same thing happens to you and you have to spend your time dealing with it and losing money because of the charge back fee's

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  • @kkhost

    You fucked up, man up and apologize to them.

  • @AnthonySmith said:

    kkhost said: So it's all just arbitrary clause overbearing clause?

    So the seller provides services and the money involved is equal to one thing?

    This was 100% your fault, charging back on a credit card is not a 'mistake' you have to tell the credit card company you did not authorize the payment, this means you lied.

    You could have just opened a ticket to get it resolved.

    By charging back you cost the host time and money and time is not free, 99 out of 100 hosts would have just closed your account and not communicated with you any further.

    This also damages the hosts reputation with the payment processor which cannot now be fixed because you say it was an accident.

    This was absolutely your fault, there is no fraud or malicious intent by the host, they are under no obligation to go through a challenge with your credit card issuer, they have no reason to trust any further payments from you will not be charged back.

    The correct thing to do in this instance if it really was a mistake is apologize and move on, not start a thread further slandering them which shows you really do want to cause as much damage as possible.

    Completely ridiculous, your username is kkhost, I really hope you do not take any money for hosting anything, you will find out sooner or later how stupid this is if you do when the same thing happens to you and you have to spend your time dealing with it and losing money because of the charge back fee's

    This was 100% your fault??
    Prior to that payment of $15 belongs to the normal range now prohibits the service with the subsequent $30 dispute is two different things please figure out what is a responsible seller OK?

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  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Moderator

    @kkhost you charged back and the host STILL offered a refund.

    zafouhar said: Nate already went above and beyond by offering you a second chance to reverse the chargeback which you didn't do.

    jiggawattz said: This is stellar customer service from Nate at @kazila .

    I've never used @kazila but their rating shot up in my book.

    OP, I think your post backfired...

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  • Shameless sellers can not excuse the $30 incident to stop another $15 service, which is a shameless performance contrary to this is another form of fraud

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  • deankdeank Member, Troll
    edited December 2016

    lol. OP commits fraud and then calls his host fraud.

    What a low life.

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  • @raindog308 said:
    @kkhost you charged back and the host STILL offered a refund.

    zafouhar said: Nate already went above and beyond by offering you a second chance to reverse the chargeback which you didn't do.

    jiggawattz said: This is stellar customer service from Nate at @kazila .

    I've never used @kazila but their rating shot up in my book.

    OP, I think your post backfired...

    image

    In fact, I do not care to return to their services, 15 dollars as a handout to beggars, just can not calm, they pass one thing and then to prohibit another thing, can explain the words only shameless and fraud

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  • @kkhost

    Yes they can stop your service, you committed fraud when you reversed the $30 payment, the host has to pay a $15-$30 fee when a charge back is done.

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  • @kkhost where are you from?

  • @Stevie said:
    @kkhost

    Yes they can stop your service, you committed fraud when you reversed the $30 payment, the host has to pay a $15-$30 fee when a charge back is done.

    What is fraud? The first time I have to pay $15 and when the normal service has been used for a week, then occurred without the automatic debit authorization of 30 dollars, I follow the normal way to freeze $30 in the bank, you tell what is fraud? Automatically occurs a week after the first transaction! I didn't authorize him for $30.

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  • kkhostkkhost Member
    edited December 2016

    Would you please tell me, no authorization was automatically deducted $30

    who is a fraud?

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  • @kkhost
    Yes you did, now you are just lying to justify your actions.

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  • €30 will not hurt anybody -_-

  • ndelaespadandelaespada Member, Provider

    What is fraud? The first time I have to pay $15 and when the normal service has been used for a week, then occurred without the automatic debit authorization of 30 dollars, I follow the normal way to freeze $30 in the bank, you tell what is fraud? Automatically occurs a week after the first transaction! I didn't authorize him for $30.

    Normal way would have been to reach out to to them and ask for a refund, not contact the bank and process a charge back!!!

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  • @Stevie said:
    @kkhost
    Yes you did, now you are just lying to justify your actions.

    Black and white, when the first payment after a few day was automatically charge $30, I was in the fraud?

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  • kkhostkkhost Member
    edited December 2016

    @ndelaespada said:

    What is fraud? The first time I have to pay $15 and when the normal service has been used for a week, then occurred without the automatic debit authorization of 30 dollars, I follow the normal way to freeze $30 in the bank, you tell what is fraud? Automatically occurs a week after the first transaction! I didn't authorize him for $30.

    Normal way would have been to reach out to to them and ask for a refund, not contact the bank and process a charge back!!!

    No authorized $30 Credit card deduction, it is automatically detained. My first choice is to go to the bank freezing who knows what will happen next terrible thing

    This is why they rush to cancel my service and delete account, real details

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  • I dont really understand what he is trying to say, but charge back really is a bad thing for the host. he should have just asked for refund, not charge back

  • @kkhost said:

    This was 100% your fault??
    Prior to that payment of $15 belongs to the normal range now prohibits the service with the subsequent $30 dispute is two different things please figure out what is a responsible seller OK?

    Kazila may have made a mistake in the initial charge, but it was not a serious problem. It could have been corrected quickly and easily.

    Your current bad situation is 100% your fault because you failed to handle it properly. Instead of raising the issue with the Kazila through their normal ticketing process, you jumped immediately to a chargeback, which should always be the last resort.

    As others have already pointed out, when you initiated the chargeback, you caused serious problems for the provider. It results in much more harm than you realize. Kazila must pay a fee to their credit card processor, and Kazila's reputation with their processor is also affected, which may result in increased credit card processing costs for future transactions that they do.

    Furthermore, you made the situation even worse for yourself and Kazila by creating a stink here on LowEndTalk.

    You are not a good customer. If I owned Kazila, I would have canceled your account and stopped responding as soon as you initiated the chargeback. End of story.

  • @didtav said:
    I dont really understand what he is trying to say, but charge back really is a bad thing for the host. he should have just asked for refund, not charge back

    I think you understand where the whole problem happened, because 30 dollars is not authorized, it is automatically deducted
    So I fear there will be more terrible things, then I went to the bank to freeze!

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  • kkhostkkhost Member
    edited December 2016

    @emg said:

    @kkhost said:

    This was 100% your fault??
    Prior to that payment of $15 belongs to the normal range now prohibits the service with the subsequent $30 dispute is two different things please figure out what is a responsible seller OK?

    Kazila may have made a mistake in the initial charge, but it was not a serious problem. It could have been corrected quickly and easily.

    Your current bad situation is 100% your fault because you failed to handle it properly. Instead of raising the issue with the Kazila through their normal ticketing process, you jumped immediately to a chargeback, which should always be the last resort.

    As others have already pointed out, when you initiated the chargeback, you caused serious problems for the provider. It results in much more harm than you realize. Kazila must pay a fee to their credit card processor, and Kazila's reputation with their processor is also affected, which may result in increased credit card processing costs for future transactions that they do.

    Furthermore, you made the situation even worse for yourself and Kazila by creating a stink here on LowEndTalk.

    You are not a good customer. If I owned Kazila, I would have canceled your account and stopped responding as soon as you initiated the chargeback. End of story.

    According to your logic, no one can use credit cards to pay their fees, otherwise the seller will automatically deduct ...customer error?

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  • If I'm reading this right.

    OP paid 15 usd for service.

    A week later host billed a 30 usd charge to the OP credit card.

    OP claims 30 dollar charge was not authorized

    Have I mentioned how much I hate auto correct recently?

  • deankdeank Member, Troll

    OP is not capable of understanding what he has done and even what is going on.

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  • @lazyt said:
    If I'm reading this right.

    OP paid 15 usd for service.

    A week later host billed a 30 usd charge to the OP credit card.

    OP claims 30 dollar charge was not authorized

    YES

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  • @IThinkUFailed said:

    @dotted said:
    Ban-hammer ETA : 2 hours.

    Generous estimate to be honest.

    Not enough it seems

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  • IshaqIshaq Member, Provider

    It doesn't excuse the chargeback. Nate clearly stated in the ticket that he would have been happy to refund if there was a mistake on their end.

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  • OhMyMyOhMyMy Member
    edited December 2016

    @kkhost you say your bank won't assist you with rescinding the request until the vps provider objects to the chargeback? I suggest calling your bank again. People make mistakes all the time. Speak to a supervisor, tell him/her that you want the chargeback recalled (which is what you claimed you asked them to do). Once you do that, contact vps provider and tell him you fixed the mess and could he reenable your vps. Arguing on this thread does no good, warning people on let about bad providers extremely rarely works (Not saying this is bad provider- no basis for my judgement of that). At this point all you are doing is venting frustration and not taking positive steps to resolve - ie working with bank and vendor to clean up a mess that occassionally happens.

  • they may have made a mistake on that €30 payment.
    if you did not charge back and asked for a refund but they refused, it will be their fault and you can charge back. in that case I believe everyone here would be on your side.

  • Just ban the mdf

  • jarjar Provider
    edited December 2016

    @lazyt said:
    If I'm reading this right.

    OP paid 15 usd for service.

    A week later host billed a 30 usd charge to the OP credit card.

    OP claims 30 dollar charge was not authorized

    That's not how I read it. I think that's how they're trying to change the story now. Read this:

    https://www.upload.ee/image/6469558/F3.png

    The customer admits to making a mistake of their own when they "top up" their account. That, where I'm from, means they added credit to their account by mistake through their own doing.

    The slight language barrier does not account for the use of that specific wording as compared to what he's saying in the thread now, for me at least.

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