LowEndTalk

Done that

@daimonb said: @xprotocept i appreciate your honesty

I'm going to be an ass here and point out that @xprotocept stated a number of times that he or she did not do so previously. Not making an opinion of that as it's @LowEndAdmin's site and it'll be up to him to deal with the issue. Just stating.

+1 though for @xprotocept replacing al of those sites with new designs though. :)

You know, I thought "alright the kid was a bit of a dick" give him a break. But then I asked him "why" he did it, as I was genuinely interested. The response...

@xprotocept said: Well, i did it because i thought adcrun.ch and adf.ly would make me tons of money that way
But it doesn't, i will also stop ripping now

If he could have made money out of it, he would of kept going basically.

most people don't steal from other peoples and try and profit from it. Sure there's a certain percentage that do, but they're not most people.

@Joel said: Well, i did it because i thought adcrun.ch and adf.ly would make me tons of money that way
But it doesn't, i will also stop ripping now

Haven't seen that post before, guess he must be serious in stopping. that's totally useless and file hosting sites points are sometimes good for trading with a free premium account on same site but for getting even some money it isn't any easy.

I don't see a reason to ban the kid? What he did wasn't nice, but I think people's reactions are a bit overboard. Anyone with basic HTML/CSS knowledge can do what he did, it's not the end of the world.

The kid made money by stealing from LEB providers and cost some companies hundreds of dollars. It's bad for LET.com and LEB.com if LEA allows members like this to remain here since LEB/LET are where these thieves are lurking. Sure some lurk in the shadows but this kid had the nerve to act like a member here and even commented on some of the threads that were about the rips he did offering fake sympathy and lies while turning around and ripping more sites AT THE SAME TIME.

Its hardly humiliation sat behind a username :/

Imho he didn't steal anything, just like you don't "steal" a movie when you pirate it. He copied it.

@japon said: Ah hair-splitting, nice. You may notice, that copyright infringement is a criminal offense.

Nope its not, at least not here.

In civil law, a private party (e.g., a corporation or individual person) files the lawsuit and becomes the plaintiff. In criminal law, the litigation is always filed by the government, who is called the prosecution. http://www.rbs2.com/cc.htm

Copyright infrigment is an offense against civil law, not criminal law. At least i have never seen the government actually prosecute someone for torrenting a movie (it's always private ripoff companies and copyright holders that do so)

Well as far as im aware here (Germany) it depends on the situation if civil law or criminal law is applicable.
I.e. if you copy movies just to watch them yourself from friends thats not punishable at all, if you copy stuff from strangers civil law applies but if you use any form of copyrightes material to generat profit for yourself thats criminal.
I agree with you though, anyone copying other peoples work to generate profit for themself is a criminal.

@Joel said: So @gsrdgrdghd, you have no issue if you spend 100+ hours building a website template and somebody just comes across and "copies" it.

I did not say that. But just fyi, i have GPL'd everything i've coded so far so that everyone can use it.
As i said, i don't think its right to copy other peoples work for profit, but i don't think its stealing either.

@gsrdgrdghd said: I did not say that. But just fyi, i have GPL'd everything i've coded so far so that everyone can use it.

Good for you, not everybody has the luxury of being able to afford to GPL their code.

@gsrdgrdghd said: As i said, i don't think its right to copy other peoples work for profit, but i don't think its stealing either.

So copying other peoples' work isn't stealing?
So going to VMPort's website, copying all the code isn't stealing?

Then please explain what it is, I and most likely many other eagerly await your definition of this if it isn't stealing. Do you have any idea what Intellectual Property means? Or does the "intellectual" part cause a complete miss-fire of your synapse?

Try copying the Mona Lisa or a Rembrandt and go redistribute it for sale without permission and see if the terms "fraud, forgery, stolen intellectual property" don't come and haunt you.

@exussum said: Hmm isnt that what google do.

The difference really is he tried to sell it

Oh Google are ripping sites now and putting them on filesharing sites to make money? Really? Since when?

@japon said: Well I can't see that. According to the German copyright law it's a criminal offense just like in the other EU countries.

Private copies are allowed according to § 53 1.1 UrhG
http://www.iuscomp.org/gla/statutes/UrhG.htm#53

@Joel said: Then please explain what it is, I and most likely many other eagerly await your definition of this if it isn't stealing.

Well as i said, its copying.

@gsrdgrdghd

You just contradicted your self right there :P There is quite a difference between using something for private use and putting it on scriptmafia for the world to download.

@gsrdgrdghd said: As i said, i think its wrong and criminal to use someone elses work for profit (=putting it on scriptmafia)

Something is not determined to be illegal or against the law based on if you make profit on it or not. That's completely absurd, as is the whole point you're trying to defend. So far from you we have it's either not a criminal offense because "I haven't seen" and now it's a criminal offense if it's "for profit."

You can not legally go in to a cinema, record the movie (copying), and walk out with it for your own personal use.

Basically @gsrdgrdghd you are continually making the point that if he hadn't put them up on Scriptmafia to make money from, and had of just shared them not-for-profit then you would be quite content with his actions and not deemed them illegal.

@KuJoe said: For the record, GPL allows and encourages other people to sell copies of your code for their own profit.

Um, i'll bite, @KuJoe can you explain how that's so? Because once code is released as GPL License you can't take that code from someone and remove the GPL from it. Genuinely interested how you came to that conclusion.

@drmike said: If we ban him, the rest need to go as well.

Is that a bad thing? :D

@Joel,

@KuJoe is right. GPL allows one to sell copy of code or related services as long as you comply with GPL.

For example, one can compile GCC on Windows and sell it for profit. However he needs to ensure that entire source used to compile that binary is also distributed under GPL.

String him up in the town square and rip his skin off.

@rajprakash said: String him up in the town square and rip his skin off.

I always was a fan of those methods of the middle age. Simply much more passion.

@netomx

It has been said in the other thread haha

Piracy is something I'm in two minds over. Making money off of pirated material is inexcusable though. The guy's scum, and deserves to be banned.

@vedran said: I say we forgive him, he sounds like a good person.

It's hard for some companies to forgive as he has caused so much annoyance and distruption and most importantly wasted time. But I guess we all need to forgive one day or another.

Let's be a happy LET family :)

I just think people are getting a little too butthurt about getting their design ripped.

Especially VMPort, after using that ripped template of BuyVM + stolen image from another website. (thanks @drmike for bring that up btw). They definitely got that template from a site similar to what xprotocept was posting on.