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I guess IPv4 will die out soon
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I guess IPv4 will die out soon

elgselgs Member
edited November 2015 in General

I just played with LXC + a /64 from HE tunnel broker for a few hours. I was shocked how much impact it is going to have to the VPS market. With only a dedicated server or even a more powerful KVM VPS, you suddenly are empowered to spin up as many containers as you want, with their respective dedicated public IPv6 addresses. I was thinking if you can access IPv6, your clients can, and your clients end customers can. What's the point to use IPv4 any more. I have the feeling those who invested a lot of money on IPv4 addresses might suddenly lose a lot of value from what they are hoarding. This is just my $.02.

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  • classyclassy Member
    edited November 2015

    This has always been possible with OpenVZ. But people like easy solutions, rolling your own containers and addresses isn't one of them.

    Nothing will change. /thread

    EDIT: why do you think people can access your IPv6 anyway? Only a few people can - nobody really feels like setting up an IPv6 tunnel, and ISPs don't feel like setting it up either.

    Also, there's still plenty of IPv4, just not via official channels. It has all shifted to unofficial, but legal sources now...

  • @classy said:
    Also, there's still plenty of IPv4, just not via official channels. It has all shifted to unofficial, but legal sources now...

    Yes, but IPv4 is getting more and more expensive. IPv6 almost comes for free. Think about you need a lot of spontaneous machines for your projects. You probably will appreciate IPv6 saves you a lot of money. Yet it's just a matter of time the general residential and business network will be IPv6 enabled. When the day comes, show me the reason you still pay for expensive IPv4 addresses.

    As to LXC, you are right, there's no much difference as OpenVZ. But it's really easy to get it up and running. I'm actually excited and sensed this is going to change a lot of things.

  • wychwych Member
    edited November 2015

    elgs said: Yet it's just a matter of time the general residential and business network will be IPv6 enabled.

    Keep waiting... https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html

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  • elgs said: Yes, but IPv4 is getting more and more expensive. IPv6 almost comes for free. Think about you need a lot of spontaneous machines for your projects. You probably will appreciate IPv6 saves you a lot of money. Yet it's just a matter of time the general residential and business network will be IPv6 enabled. When the day comes, show me the reason you still pay for expensive IPv4 addresses.

    While I think IPv6 is great, it's far from cheaper than IPv4. I work for a big regional IT company and we deal with routers that are either too old to handle IPv6 or have upstreams which don't want to set it up.

    Truth is most companies can't be bothered to spend a single penny as long as their (IPv4) seems to work fine. :-(

  • Doubt this. ARIN IPS are selling for $8/IP. Most people will be able to earn $2048 off 253 VPSes within 2 year time frame. It's a case of a price increase which won't be too much

  • jarjar Patron Provider, Top Host, Veteran

    For the past 3 years I've been hearing "well this is the end of IPv4, everyone will adopt IPv6 or become irrelevant."

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  • @jarland said:
    For the past 3 years I've been hearing "well this is the end of IPv4, everyone will adopt IPv6 or become irrelevant."

    A decade later we're still using IPv4 and IPv6 just reached 20% or so... And another decade later... IPv4 is a great backup protocol.

  • NyrNyr Community Contributor, Veteran

    Hidden_Refuge said: And another decade later... IPv4 is a great backup protocol.

    Very optimistic. Or unrealistic, I would say.

  • classy said: Truth is most companies can't be bothered to spend a single penny as long as their (IPv4) seems to work fine. :-(

    This, that's basically the reason why the country I live has virtually no ISP offering IPv6 for residential users.

  • netomxnetomx Moderator, Veteran

    Aga said: This, that's basically the reason why the country I live has virtually no ISP offering IPv6 for residential users.

    Mexico has already ipv6... for business only, not residential

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  • I'm still surprised at how many VPS providers don't offer IPv6.

    By all signs, it will take a number of years before residential ISPs generally offer IPv6, though I would have thought that it would be in their interest to do so (to gain a competitive advantage).

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  • netomx said: Mexico has already ipv6... for business, not residential

    Here (in Brazil) we have some ISP providing IPv6 for residential, but it's a small fraction.

  • elgs said: I have the feeling those who invested a lot of money on IPv4 addresses might suddenly lose a lot of value from what they are hoarding. This is just my $.02.

    I am very confident this will not be the case in the next 10 years and many will get "rich" (aka 6 digits plus USD/EUR) with it - including at least 4 i know here on LET, which invested just a few 100$ into ARIN + US LLC (like 1000EUR for everything including colo/dedis+BW plus some hours time) and now "own" IP space worth 160k$+ easily.

  • Yes, it will die out soon. Same as "CD"s have died out since they've been replaced with DVDs which have been replaced with BluRay.

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  • angstrom said: though I would have thought that it would be in their interest to do so (to gain a competitive advantage).

    As long as the websites are available via v4 too there isn't any advantage content wise, and it would cost them money as some of their gear is v4 only, and that's even truer in poor countries...

    https://www.google.com/intl/en/ipv6/statistics.html#tab=per-country-ipv6-adoption&tab=per-country-ipv6-adoption

  • FranciscoFrancisco Top Host, Host Rep, Veteran
    edited November 2015

    @2bb3 said:

    Shaw in Canada has already said they have no plans to implement IPV6 while IPV4 can access all available content. Between Shaw, Rogers, Telus, & Bell, they have 20 million+ IPV4 addresses, and Canada as a whole is ~35 million people. Sure, you have cellphones and all that but neither Rogers or Bell give a public IP anyway, it's just 10/8.

    Fact of the matter is that you aren't going to see the next big thing being IPV6 only, short of Facebook/Google having 'ipv6 only' day, murdering their own brand just to push the technology.

    Back in the late 90's, early 2000's, there was a project out of Europe to give "Free porn, only over IPV6" (I think it was based in NL? with SIXXS?) and, well, that didn't get anywhere did it?

    Francisco

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  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator, Veteran

    singsing said: Yes, it will die out soon. Same as "CD"s have died out since they've been replaced with DVDs which have been replaced with BluRay.

    And Bluray has been, or will be soon, replaced by streaming.

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  • I never had a Bluray in my hands and I never seen one! So tell me what is this? I don't have a drive for disks in my computer since like 2011. If I need something I use the Internet or flash storage like USB drives (reinstall OS, get some stuff from friends, etc...).

    Back to topic. Why should IPv4 ever die? It has a big address room into which we all can still fit with this carrier grade NAT magic and et cetera. People don't bother about IPv6 it seems. I tried to bring IPv6 to people and they just told me "And now??? I access everything as it is now. Why should I change something? I don't want to spend money for new hardware to use something that brings no change to my usual environment." and so on...

  • @jbiloh said:
    And Bluray has been, or will be soon, replaced by streaming.

    For the sake of your own protection can you avoid threads talking about the adoption of IPv6

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  • Hidden_Refuge said: I never had a Bluray in my hands and I never seen one!

    Well, you are missing out then, they are seriously cool.

    My point, of course, was that Audio CDs are still being sold despite being 2-3 generations of technology out of date (depending whether you count "streaming" or not).

    So, if history is any guide, the actual "death" of IPv4 won't be for a looong, looong time.

  • What's the point to use IPv4 any more.

    Reaching the other 90% of the Internet.

  • jbiloh said: And Bluray has been, or will be soon, replaced by streaming.

    jbiloh in an IPv6 adoption thread :')

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