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And this is fair?

And this is fair?

Ash_HawkridgeAsh_Hawkridge Member
edited October 2012 in General

Sorry but im a little sick of seeing ChicagoVPS (Namely Chris) posting his promotional BS on other providers posts and features.

http://www.lowendbox.com/blog/spotvps-5-99month-2gb-openvz-vps-in-las-vegas/#comment-83734

This wouldn't be allowed on any other site so i don't see why it is here. I remember @Chief complaining about VPSNodeBox begging attention in their own threads, Chris is easily 10x worse going out of his way to make promotions to take advantage of others misfortune etc.

How long is this going to go on for without anything been said?

Fair enough ChicagoVPS are good at what they do, but that doesn't give them the right to pull such shady tactics.

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  • Whoa, that looks really shady!

    google that will ya?

  • This is a consumer site so, I guess that anything goes as long as the consumer benefits in price, features or quality of service, even providers competing and undercutting each other. At least this is how I thought things are working. M

    Who's General Failure, and why is he reading my drive A: ?

  • DrakeorDrakeor Member
    edited October 2012

    Yeah, I agree that is a little low of them to be attacking other providers like that.

    To be honest, I wouldn't sign up with a provider that posted BS like that.

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  • @Maounique said: This is a consumer site so, I guess that anything goes as long as the consumer benefits in price, features or quality of service, even providers competing and undercutting each other. At least this is how I thought things are working. M

    For real, lets see if you say that when i post an undercut offer on prometeus (Not that i would) but i know 100% you would have something to say.

  • ZiggaZigga Member
    edited October 2012

    Personally I think its shady, most providers use LEB as a soapbox. They wait in line to get a turn. When Chris just posts I won't be undercut here's a promo code undercutting a competitor it undermines the value of LEB.

    Saying that Chris could have come on LET to publish his offer but its all about #Winning

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  • MaouniqueMaounique Member
    edited October 2012

    Actually, prometeus doesnt look to undercut others, never did, you probably know Uncle does not have the lowest prices, even with wild promotions. This does not mean I do not understand why this is allowed, not that I say is a good or bad thing, this is a consumer site. People will see what providers do and make their own judgement. As LET is moderated only when things really go out of hand with threats on family members or things like those, I think LEB is equally liberal, this is not something forbidden, nor I would like it forbidden, I am sure no amount of moderation and vetting will be able to protect ppl from making wrong choices with providers. I am on the line that everyone should be able to judge for themselves, LEB/LET/WHT should be here only to present more offers and great deals, it is up to the consumers to organize, review and pick up the right one. TL;DR: Fair ? No. Should be forbidden ? Still no. M

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  • @Maounique said: Actually, prometeus doesnt look to undercut others, never did, you probably know Uncle does not have the lowest prices, even with wild promotions.

    When did Prometeus hire you?

  • So if i was to go and post a link to GetKVM on every single LEB post, would i get banned or is that cool as well?

  • Whilst it might not have been fair on SpotVPS for Chris to go and post something like that, do you guys not think it's good for the LEB community as a whole?

    The SpotVPS offer probably wouldn't have ever been made (or at least with those RAM allocations) if Chris didn't have his $7 2GB deal. Fact of the matter is, as consumers, we love getting hold of a VPS with loads of RAM for as cheap as we possibly can.

    By Chris offering up his 2GB package for only $5, that just sparks even more competition, and will encourage others to either undercut him (as SpotVPS have) or try and match that price as closely as they possibly can.

    All in all, it should in theory result to more high ram/low cost options for consumers... obviously that isn't always the case, as unfortunately it might also encourage dead-pooling... other than that though, this can surely only be good for consumers? Is competition such a bad thing?

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  • NekkiNekki Moderator

    Competition is good, it's what makes prices lower for the consumers. Chris is a lot more aggressive about it than most, but he does actually seem to have a decent quality service to back it up, so I say fair play to him. If he overdoes the overpromotion, it'll only come back to bite him, so I don't see an issue, it's not like he's spamming up every thread there is with offers.

  • Competition isnt a bad thing, ruining peoples offers and undercutting them is not.

    Lets say Tesco decided to flyer their promotions allover the front of Asda, would it happen? Nope, would Tesco probably get sued, yup.

  • @Liamwithers: ofcourse we love competition but you miss the keyword here: healthy competition

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  • And for the record, lets say it was DewlanceVPS doing this, there would be one hell of a shit show right there. What im getting at is why is Chris any different, he should follow the rules like everybody else.

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  • @cosmicgate what would you class as healthy competition?

    For me I see Chris' post as healthy competition for consumers, as it wasn't posted as an individual offer to draw loads of people in, it wasn't posted on here.. it was a simple post, which probably wouldn't have been seen by that many people, which means it's not going to be putting SpotVPS out of business or making every other provider panic.

    I understand that for SpotVPS it might be far from ideal, but I'm sure they don't rely purely on a LEB offer post to bring in their customers.

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  • @liamwithers said: I understand that for SpotVPS it might be far from ideal, but I'm sure they don't rely purely on a LEB offer post to bring in their customers.

    You would be surprised at the exposure one LEB post gets.

  • Hey I think it is classic. We should encourage this sort of behavior, not discourage it. Consumers win.

    I am a ChicagoVPS customer and have been for oh, approaching a year.

    Hopefully ChicagoVPS offers existing customers the deal, when and if asked. Yeah, I just asked.

  • Ash_HawkridgeAsh_Hawkridge Member
    edited October 2012

    @pubcrawler said: Hey I think it is classic. We should encourage this sort of behavior, not discourage it. Consumers win.

    So basically, as long as your saving money you don't give two f***s about the business of others or their family's etc. Nice.

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  • @GetKVM_Ash said: So basically, as long as your saving money you don't give two f***s about the business of others or their family's etc. Nice.

    Hate to sound harsh, but to be completely honest with you Ash, I would have never spotted the post that Chris put up on SpotVPS's offer. Now I'm tempted to take him up on it, because 2GB for $5 is pretty awesome.

    Not sure if genuinely trying to combat what Chris has done, or intentionally giving his offer more publicity?

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  • joepie91joepie91 Member
    edited October 2012

    @pubcrawler said: Hey I think it is classic. We should encourage this sort of behavior, not discourage it. Consumers win.

    Of course, as long as you save a dime, it's perfectly acceptable to trash other providers without providing any reasonable criticism, and to hijack a promo thread. How could I have missed that.

    EDIT: For those that need it, here's the [/sarcasm] tag.

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  • @joepie91 said: Of course, as long as you save a dime, it's perfectly acceptable to trash other providers without providing any reasonable criticism, and to hijack a promo thread. How could I have missed that.

    EDIT: For those that need it, here's the [/sarcasm] tag.

    Finally a man that speaks sense.

  • I find it unethical. Otherwise what's the point of offers for specific providers? Everyone might as well jump in to everyone's post and be 5cents cheaper and get free advertisement.

    Consumers sure always want something cheaper / better value, however...

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  • @GetKVM_Ash, face it this is a low cost service network of sites. We even have pricing limits on the offers to be considered.

    In many ways, all providers, including you are undercutting all those more common or standard pricing businesses.

    I imagine all those companies have the same view of your company and all providers here, "as long as your saving money you don't give two f***s about the business of others or their family's etc."

  • @pubcrawler said: In many ways, all providers, including you are undercutting all those more common or standard pricing businesses.

    Obviously we set prices in line with competition (That's how marketing works), but we certainly wouldn't advertise on another providers topic and it certainly wouldn't happen anywhere else other than the internet.

    People don't set up stalls selling coffee outside Starbucks, do they?

  • jcalebjcaleb Moderator

    For me, there should be a level of respect between providers.

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  • @GetKVM_Ash, I loved how you are trying to make sense to a guy who just don't want to understand

  • as long as you save a dime, it's perfectly acceptable >

    Heck a dime? ChicagoVPS sells plans discounted at $7.95, down from $24.95 original price. Now they'll sell at $5? By my counting that is saving $19.95 off the original price or $2.95 off the discount.

    Those savings are significant.

    Where's that $2.95 savings heading? Probably to another provider on here. I buy lots from folks on here.

    I find it unethical >

    Ahh ethics. Yeah, I find it umm, poor taste. People are going to resort to whatever they feel necessary to promote sales. At least ChicagoVPS hasn't taken to email spamming folks for lead generation.

    Glad these sites are more organic and wild west than WHT.

  • @jcaleb said: For me, there should be a level of respect between providers.

    Between a few of us, there is. Just not where Chris is concerned.

  • @serverian said: @GetKVM_Ash, I loved how you are trying to make sense to a guy who just don't want to understand

    I know, my head is pounding from this brick wall :P

  • People don't set up stalls selling coffee outside Starbucks, do they? >

    That's because building, zoning and local codes disallow that.

    Equivalent here would be enacting more rules prohibiting such cross or counter ad posting. I think it would stifle posting and lead to more babysitting of comments and drive down user posted contributions in general. Chief and the operators can choose what they will.

    BTW: Starbucks arguably doesn't sell coffee. They sell pretentious environment to be seen drinking over priced coffee within.

    Starbucks is akin to me buying the full rate $24.95 ChicagoVPS to appear cool to VPS folks here.

    I'll stick to my $5 discount VPS and my 89 cent cup of gas station coffee.

  • @pubcrawler said: At least ChicagoVPS hasn't taken to email spamming folks for lead generation.

    No, Chris just spams ChicagoVPS customers to "connect" with him on LinkedIn.

  • joepie91joepie91 Member
    edited October 2012

    @pubcrawler said: @GetKVM_Ash, face it this is a low cost service network of sites. We even have pricing limits on the offers to be considered.

    In many ways, all providers, including you are undercutting all those more common or standard pricing businesses.

    I imagine all those companies have the same view of your company and all providers here, "as long as your saving money you don't give two f***s about the business of others or their family's etc."

    I wasn't aware of all of LowEndBox having LowEndEthics - and that in any way, shape or form being acceptable.

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  • jcalebjcaleb Moderator

    Ethics is a long term investment

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  • Maybe Chris should just offer to buy SpotVPS :)

    He's actively posting shopping offers to buy providers...

  • Atm it just seems like a bit of a popularity contest to me. I constantly see the newer providers amongst us get put down for mentioning their company etc and as mentioned @Chief has gone out of his way on at least one occasion to make a fool out of the people that do.

    Yet Chris continues to set up promotions that take advantage of other hosts misfortune (Avantehosting for one) and now has the cheek to post and undercut other providers on their own threads.

    I am going to be appalled if no action gets taken, but i bet we wont see Chris get banned like many others have.

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    While i think criticism in offers is fine (as long as it's valid) i don't think providers should be allowed to abuse offers to advertise their own service. Especially not in the smug way Chris does.

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  • Ash_HawkridgeAsh_Hawkridge Member
    edited October 2012

    Anyway, i think everything has been covered here. Now lets see what the LEB/LET team has to say about it.

    If nothing comes of it, i eagerly await ChicagoVPS's next offer because whatever it is, im going to undercut the living hell out of it whether i loose money or not. I might even take ColoCrossing up on a previous custom offer just for the occasion.

  • SpiritSpirit Administrator
    edited October 2012

    @Maounique said: This is a consumer site so, I guess that anything goes as long as the consumer benefits in price, features or quality of service, even providers competing and undercutting each other. At least this is how I thought things are working.

    It is also community driven site which should base on some basic respect or atleast it was long time ago. Joining other hosts promotional threads just to kill their sales and increase own sales is wrong. Thread is named "SpotVPS – $5.99/Month 2GB OpenVZ VPS in Las Vegas" - which part is too hard to understand about this? Do you know that ChicagoVPS/BuffaloVPS is the most featured host at LEB? Yes they are and this is their chance to promote own business instead ruining other companies promotional threads. He’s doing this long enough that no one reach or take it as wrong. We get used to it and he can easily get away no matter what he do but it is wrong. But once again, this was thread about SpotVPS offer. Only their. And jumping in the way Chris Fabozzi do is disrespectful to other hosts, disrespectful to person who invested his own time to post this Spotify offer (Humza) and disrespectful to rest of community.

    Or as @concerto49 said: "Otherwise what's the point of offers for specific providers?"

  • @GetKVM_Ash said: but i bet we wont see Chris get banned like many others have.

    As far as I was aware, bans very rarely happen on here?

    @GetKVM_Ash said: im going to undercut the living hell out of it

    You're gonna undercut the living hell out of it with KVM's? Fantastic... make sure we all know when it's offered :P

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  • It's widely believed that LET/LEB have a few providers who either the admins of these sites are biased towards or that the community is biased for.

    ChicagoVPS gets it's fair amount of positive bias. So do others.

    We can either ignore what Chris does in these sales or we can join him like @GetKVM_Ash is thinking about :)

    Threaded sites like this degrade and have same issues. Really should consider segmenting comments from the offers. A policy that prevents other providers from commenting in any capacity on another's offer wouldn't be a bad blanket rule.

    I see lots of providers jabbing each other within the offer comments on LEB. Underbidding though, not so much.

  • @liamwithers said: You're gonna undercut the living hell out of it with KVM's? Fantastic... make sure we all know when it's offered :P

    Temporary bans are actually quite common, just ask Maounique.

    And no it would be like-for-like, so OpenVZ :) If i could do KVM VPS at that price, i would.

  • @pubcrawler said: A policy that prevents other providers from commenting in any capacity on another's offer wouldn't be a bad blanket rule.

    That sounds like massive overkill.

    Just deal with the providers that go over the line, problem solved.

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  • NekkiNekki Moderator

    @GetKVM_Ash said: And no it would be like-for-like, so OpenVZ :) If i could do KVM VPS at that price, i would.

    I'd be delighted with an NL-based 2GB RAM / 50GB HD VPS at around the $7 mark, undercut away!

  • SpiritSpirit Administrator
    edited October 2012

    @joepie91 said: Just deal with the providers that go over the line, problem solved.

    I would add here "Without double standards" as some hosts seems more equal than others.

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  • @GetKVM_Ash said: And no it would be like-for-like, so OpenVZ :) If i could do KVM VPS at that price, i would.

    But you could do 2GB OpenVZ for <$5/month?

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  • SpiritSpirit Administrator
    edited October 2012

    @Nekki said: I'd be delighted with an NL-based 2GB RAM / 50GB HD VPS at around the $7 mark, undercut away

    @Nekki Ash (and most other hosts) will open own LET thread (or post in own LEB thread) to do something like this - that's the difference and proper way.

  • @liamwithers said: But you could do 2GB OpenVZ for <$5/month?

    Like i said, if no action is taken against Chris i would be happy to loose out just to give him a taste of his own medicine. If he is going to have no respect for others, i have no respect for him.

  • There must be massive overselling going on for that price.

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  • That post was inappropriate. It sets a very dangerous precedent on LEB if it rides. How long before every single companies comments sections turns into a spamfest of undercutting?

  • (non-official opinion)

    @ShardHost said: How long before every single companies comments sections turns into a spamfest of undercutting?

    If it happens, there will be some actions against it. For now, you (LEB/LET readers) can just boycott his services.

    @joepie91 said:

    Just deal with the providers that go over the line, problem solved.

    Also this.

  • If it was an in the form of a post in the forums then who cares really, however an offer on lowendbox is reviewed and only certain ones get in, it's about an offer for that provider in particular and should stay that way, not get poluted.

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