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BoxCtrl, server management programs, and a waiting list...

BoxCtrl, server management programs, and a waiting list...

subigosubigo Member
edited July 2012 in General

I was going to have to let the cat out of the bag at some point, so I figured I'd just do it now. A lot of people have asked why I am selling zensix and if I planned on sticking around after it was sold. The answer is yes, I'm sticking around, and I sold it because I did not want to do level one support for cheap shared hosting clients anymore. I wanted time to work on things I like...

One of those things will be BoxCtrl (openvz panel), which I will own the rights to once again after zensix is sold off completely. In order to fund development on it, I'll be offering server management plans for Open-VZ nodes and DirectAdmin servers (for as little as $49.95/month and it will cover five servers).

There's more information on http://zenssh.com if you hover over the top left link. This is not something that will be launching immediately, but it won't be months of waiting either. If you're interested in the server management aspect of this whole thing, see the site and add your email to the mailing list. I'll only need ten management clients to make this worth my time. Fewer than ten and I won't be able to cut back on other contract work I do. And if a ton of people want to sign up, I'll hire some help or just cap it off at the ten clients.

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  • lele0108lele0108 Member
    edited July 2012

    Might be a good idea for a Paypal donation link. Some of us might chip in for Box-ctrl.

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  • subigosubigo Member

    @lele0108 said: Might be a good idea for a Paypal donation link. Some of us might chip in for Box-ctrl.

    There will be one once everything is finalized and I'm able to actually get started on things.

  • boxctrl sound interesting. Will wait for more info on that.

  • Maybe when Box-ctrl supports something other than OVZ, hint hint ;)

  • @GetKVM_Ash said: Maybe when Box-ctrl supports something other than OVZ, hint hint ;)

    What @GetKVM_Ash means is Xen.

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  • @GetKVM_Ash said: Maybe when Box-ctrl supports something other than OVZ, hint hint ;)

    It was an open-sourcish project :P. I still have my modified version up and running, had no issues.

    I could put my modded version source online, but I wonder if @subigo would mind.

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  • @MrLawoodle said: It was an open-sourcish project :P. I still have my modified version up and running, had no issues.

    I could put my modded version source online, but I wonder if @subigo would mind.

    I know but i have zero coding experience, so all i can do is moan and hope somebody else does it haha :P

  • PatsPats Member

    @MrLawoodle said: but I wonder if @subigo would mind.

    i don't mind.. @MrLawoodle :) @subigo .. do u?

  • subigosubigo Member

    @Pats said: i don't mind.. @MrLawoodle :) @subigo .. do u?

    Nope, go for it.

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  • @FRCorey said: Any updates?

    I'll launch the zenssh.com site later this week and should be able to start on BoxCtrl again within a week or two.

  • RandyRandy Disabled

    Ido you still do openvz management?

  • TazTaz Disabled

    @Randy -} Do you need someone? One of my friend does OVZ management.

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  • RandyRandy Disabled
    edited August 2012

    Sure. hit me up

  • TazTaz Disabled

    Shoot me a pm.

    Time is good and also bad. Life is short and that is sad. Dont worry be happy thats my style. No matter what happens i won't lose my smile!

  • @Randy said: Ido you still do openvz management?

    The site is up now, but I'm not taking clients yet. I decided to finish out my contract with Google before I start anything else. It ends next week.

  • There was definitely not enough interest in the management side of things, meaning I'm not going to spend any of my free time working on a panel for nothing. Consider this thread dead (please don't PM me about it). Sorry.

  • It's called build the panel and charge, quality product will make you money.

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  • @FRCorey said: It's called build the panel and charge, quality product will make you money.

    It's called I'm not going to spend three months of my time working each day to build a panel if I'm not immediately getting some kind of income coming in. That and I don't want to be in the monthly-licensed-openvz-panel business... I want to be in the open-source-side-project business.

  • JarJar Member

    Set up a kickstarter for it. Worst that can happen is you don't meet your goal.

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  • ZenZen Member

    You want to work on opensource products and make money? O_O

    I work for Nodisto.

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  • RandyRandy Disabled

    Make a thread to request fundings for this opensource project. I am sure users will glady fund this

  • @Zen said: You want to work on opensource products and make money? O_O

    No. I needed something to fund the amount of time it would take to build another panel. I already do server administration for other companies, so figured I'd offer a "cheap" administration plan on LET, and if enough people were interested, it would fund the time it would take me to create it.

    The panel is just something a lot of people have asked me to do, so I figured I'd take on some extra work and do it. But not enough people were interested in the administration plans I offered, so I'm not going to bother with the panel. Something like that is almost a part-time job and I know from experience I would end up spending at least 20-30 hours a week on it.

    I don't want the panel itself to be my job or the way I make money. End of story.

  • Coming to LET offering server managing isn't the best idea.

    Have you tried WHT?

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  • @lele0108 said: Have you tried WHT?

    People on WHT aren't the ones who want me to build the panel. I only did this because people on here wanted me to. I don't really care one way or the other if it ever happens.

  • @subigo said: People on WHT aren't the ones who want me to build the panel. I only did this because people on here wanted me to. I don't really care one way or the other if it ever happens.

    It's a tough sell on LET. 99% of us know how to install DirectAdmin and manage it, along with OpenVZ.

    I'm really sad to see that you're unable to create the panel. :/.

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  • @subigo ... I think the general MO of the community here is that they want everything for nothing.

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  • @Corey said: @subigo ... I think the general MO of the community here is that they want everything for nothing.

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    Talk shit about a community but you will continue to post your adverts won't you.

    I know, I'm Dale Maily.

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  • I think it is a wrong approach.

    The mass of the users here do not need openVZ management. However most of them would donate. Why not just making a donate paypal button or a kickstarter project and you will see how much you would get. You might not be able to get 10 users pay 50$, however 20 paying 25$ is still the same.

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  • @Taylor I didn't think I was 'talking shit'... Was just saying it's a particular market that you can't sell a $49/mo server management package to.

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  • @Corey said: want everything for nothing.

    @Corey said: Was just saying it's a particular market that you can't sell a $49/mo server management package to.

    Not the same thing.

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  • @Taylor looks the same to me since that is what this whole thread is about.

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  • @Corey said: I think the general MO of the community here is that they want everything for nothing.

    Nothing against LET, but it's true for a lot of people here. Since posting this thread, I've had multiple people tell me $50/month for five servers ($10/server) was just too expensive for them. The requests I've received so far range between "if you can manage my servers for free, I'll hook you up with a free server of your own" to "I'd be interested if you could give me a 50% discount". Yeah, thanks, but no thanks.

    Like I said before, I'm not turning a panel into a required job on my part. It was going to be a side-project or nothing. I'm not going to sell one directly, start a kickstarter project, or anything else like that... If any of you want to do it, go for it, but be prepared for the amount of bullshit that comes with something like that.

  • Anyway, what were you going to include in that ovz node management plans?

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  • JarJar Member
    edited August 2012

    For the record, just to say I said it, you'd be surprised how many of us want to donate toward your project but have no need for server management. I thought it when I first saw the thread, but I figured you'd get bites on that anyway so it didn't need to be said. The crap responses you got were for server management when the reputable people here don't need it, but would do anything for a decent SolusVM alternative. At the end of the day, I can manage what I've got, but I'll be the first to tell you I can't make a control panel.

    So if you ever change your mind, let me know where to donate.

  • Here's the thing, when I tried the public open source panel project in the past, it became way more trouble than it was worth in less than a month. People demanded everything for nothing and expected me to care. One guy went as far as calling me at home, multiple times, demanding I walk him through a problem he was having. I ended up blocking his number, only to have him find me on Facebook and start spamming me there.

    And people talk about donations, but that rarely works out for any kind of project. I could name some very large open source projects who barely break $100/month in donations.

    And then there's support... create a panel, but only charge for support. It ends up becoming just like donations (unless you're Red Hat).

    Anyway, I've already heard the term "SolusVM alternative" multiple times, which means that's just one more thing to add to the list. This was never meant to be a SolusVM alternative, as I've stated many times. Only an Open-VZ panel. Perhaps "OVZ Web Panel alternative" would be closer to the truth.

    In the end, I just don't think there's a market for what I was going to do (speaking only of the panel). If there was, someone else would probably have started it by now.

  • @jarland said: I can manage what I've got, but I'll be the first to tell you I can't make a control panel.

    These are my feelings to a T

    I didn't realize @subigo was offering server management here, more power to him, I can see a few that could really use his help, but I can understand he doesn't want to work for free either.

    I am not actively looking to replace SolusVM, but if something were to come along that can do what I need, I am more than willing to toss a couple hundred a month at it to keep it alive and developing, but if this is to remain OpenVZ only, it would not meet my needs, but hopefully one day something will.

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  • flyfly Member

    @subigo said: One guy went as far as calling me at home, multiple times, demanding I walk him through a problem he was having. I ended up blocking his number, only to have him find me on Facebook and start spamming me there.

    thats pretty crazy.

  • CoreyCorey Member
    edited August 2012

    @subigo while we are on the subject YDGH would commit $50/mo to the cause in donations.... im sure some other providers here would commit as well..... i've been keeping quiet until I saw how this thread would go.... oh... and i'll throw in a dedi if you even needed it to test the panel and whatnot....

    I have the knowledge to create a panel for openvz - but I haven't had the time so I could help as well or even fork it for my own use.

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  • Okay then... show of hands. Who would donate and/or pay for access to a support forum/helpdesk? And if so, how much would you be willing to to donate/pay?

    As I did in the past, I would base the panel on only single file php pages and bash scripts (where possible), which would make it ridiculously easy for anyone with a little php knowledge to edit and make their own. It would use sqlite instead of mysql. Lighttpd would be the server.

    Again, it would be Open-VZ only and you could think of it as the PHP alternative to ovz-web-panel.

    The point would be something minimalistic, easy to edit and fork, that's does the job and has no bloat.

  • JarJar Member

    With some type of client panel (I've never used BoxCtrl) I'd be willing to pay at least $20/m. More if someone linked it to whmcs. I'd be looking at it as a possible alternative to solusvm.

  • $10+ a month if you can do some WHMCS integration.

    SolusVM is ugly.

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  • @lele0108 said: SolusVM is ugly.

    SolusVM is dead simple to theme.

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  • RandyRandy Disabled
    edited August 2012

    Solusvm is not ugly at all for me

  • @Spencer said: SolusVM is dead simple to theme.

    But it would still be SolusVM. BoxCtrl is way more cool.

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  • @lele0108 said: But it would still be SolusVM. BoxCtrl is way more cool.

    The appearance is the least relevant thing here. This is running your business, it needs to do actual work

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  • If you left us a way to splice in support for Xen/KVM I'd pay. I think all anyone needs is an API so we can match it up to our various billing systems.

  • lele0108lele0108 Member
    edited August 2012

    @miTgiB said: The appearance is the least relevant thing here. This is running your business, it needs to do actual work

    True for VPSs, but when your doing Minecraft hosting, a nice looking skin could be the difference of a sale.

    Also, BoxCTRL is simple, which is great for my use.

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