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Apple wont sell to USborn Iranian citizen

Apple wont sell to USborn Iranian citizen

bijan588bijan588 Member
edited July 2012 in General

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/19/apple-store-refuses-to-sell-ipad-to-iranian_n_1609734.html

A 19-year-old woman in Alpharetta, Ga., claims that her local Apple store refused to sell her anything after she was heard speaking Farsi with her uncle while she was trying to buy an iPhone and iPad.

"When we said 'Farsi, I'm from Iran,' he said, 'I just can't sell this to you. Our countries have bad relations,'" Sahar Sabet told WSB-TV.

According to the report, the Apple store employee cited the company's official policy, which prohibits the sale of their products to countries with which trade is prohibited by U.S. embargo.

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  • AsadHaiderAsadHaider Member
    edited July 2012

    Comments here are funny: http://www.wsbradio.com/news/news/apple-customers-upset-over-policy-not-sell-iranian/nPY8H/

    Someone please forward this to the DailyMail.

  • @kbar Your a retard.

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  • DanielMDanielM Disabled

    Just shows more anti-iran in the united states. What a racist country the US is turning into. First killing a black kid and the dude getting away with it. now this

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  • ChiefChief Member

    @DanielM said: What a racist country the US is turning into.

    I'm not even a USA citizen however that's a crock of crap right there. The US is no more/less racist than other countries with their own isolated domestic racial issues. Pockets of racially motivated individuals does not equate to a whole country. Travelled to Asia? Stepped on to the African continent for a few months? Walked in to a restaurant with a different culture theme to find you're the "odd one out" and seen how you're treated? It's not always a welcoming feeling.

    The "bash the USA" rhetoric is getting a little tired and boring.

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  • DanielMDanielM Disabled
    edited July 2012

    @Chief said: I'm not even a USA citizen however that's a crock of crap right there.

    I couldnt care any less if you are or not. All you need to do is take a look at reliable news sources instead of fox news.. Some people still fail to see despite it being obvious. Simply history is repeating itself (In a sense)

    And once again if you didnt see the first time. i am not ANTI-US far from it. i am anti israel tho.

  • KuJoeKuJoe Member
    edited July 2012

    Apple Store != Apple.

    While every US company has the same policy, they expect their employees to use common sense when selling within the US.

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  • JarJar Member

    Misleading title. Apple didn't refuse them, an Apple employee did. Racism exists everywhere and pretending to be shocked and in awe of this most basic trend that predates any existing nation is to pretend to be ignorant of the human condition. Opinions are yours to bear, and those held by a racist are no less sacred than any other. I may disagree with their decisions, but they have a right to their world view just as I do mine. I'm asked to accept things that I disagree with every day, racism is just another on the list, it's no more special than any other negative viewpoint that belittles another group of people based on petty differences. Disagree, move on.

    The answer in cases like this is for the company to fire the individual. You can have the opinions you like, but when they cross into bad business territory and damage your ability to do your job, you should be fired.

    @DanielM You have a reliable news source? I'd love to hear it. There aren't any. When people say things like "stop watching Fox News" they really just mean "watch the news that I do, it slants my direction so I don't see it." The only thing you can trust is what you can see, hear, taste, and smell, if you wanna get down to it. Even those things should be questioned...

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  • KuJoeKuJoe Member

    @jarland said: Even those things should be questioned...

    Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.

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    That's deep.

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  • US did worse things like depriving citizens of Japanese origin of freedom just because Japan was at war with US. Used slaves and deprived ppl of civil rights because of their race. There is also discrimination on religious grounds, for example islamic charities are automatically suspicious and under surveillance, or even worse. That is no different than in other countries, since Israel was brought to the discussion, there ppl are deprived of citizenship based on race and even religion, imprisoned for tens of years without proper trial, chased away from their land, their houses demolished, etc and it is still considered a democratic country under the rule of law while in US it is far better than in Israel since the houses of black ppl are no longer burned (and that was never a policy of the government to begin with), for instance. That being said, the argument that in other places is worse can't be considered as a defense, it is either you respect human rights or not. There is no middle ground, the difference between countries that kill or put ppl to jail based on their ethnicity or religion and those that only deprive them of basic human rights such as privacy and equality of chances, while worth mentioning, is certainly no reason to brag for the latter. M

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  • The problem is if the device is exported to Iran it is highly possible that the seller is sued for it.... better safe than sorry. Iran on the other hand does not give a f*ck - Friends of mine buy domains from nic.ir with _Israeli_ address data and bank transfer payments to the Iranian bank in Frankfurt, Germany from Israel.....

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  • @DanielM said: Just shows more anti-iran in the united states. What a racist country the US is turning into. First killing a black kid and the dude getting away with it. now this

    You can't call the US racist, especially the way the UK is.

    The Original Daniel.

  • @MrLadoodle said: You can't call the US racist, especially the way the UK is.

    Why not?

  • @gsrdgrdghd said: Why not?

    Some pockets of the UK are very very very racist.

    The Original Daniel.

  • @MrLadoodle said: Some pockets of the UK are very very very racist.

    And why can't he call the US racist because of that?

  • @gsrdgrdghd said: And why can't he call the US racist because of that?

    I worded it wrong, I ment you can't complain that the US is becoming a racist state when your own country is becoming one too.

    The Original Daniel.

  • @MrLadoodle said: I worded it wrong, I ment you can't complain that the US is becoming a racist state when your own country is becoming one too.

    Why not?

  • @gsrdgrdghd said: Why not?

    Well, its like complaining people are murdering people when you yourself are a murderer.

    The Original Daniel.

    1. The UK racist != DanielM racist
    2. By your logic, people in the US also couldn't complain about China or Syria for human rights abuse.
  • @gsrdgrdghd said: By your logic, people in the US also couldn't complain about China or Syria for human rights abuse.

    No, by my logic the US government can not complain about China or Syria for having human rights abuse.

    But that isn't my opinion.

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  • @DanielM said: First killing a black kid and the dude getting away with it. now this

    Law is Law, if the kill was legal (and it was under the local law) this is not your problem.

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  • gsrdgrdghdgsrdgrdghd Member
    edited July 2012

    @MrLadoodle said: No, by my logic the US government can not complain about China or Syria for having human rights abuse.

    But that isn't my opinion.

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    So you are using the logic that a country can't complain about another countrys problems if it has the same problems. You are using that logic to say other people can't complain about the US, but when it comes to the US complaining about other countries you don't use it anymore?

  • @gsrdgrdghd said: So you are using the logic that a country can't complain about another countrys problems if it has the same problems. You are using that logic to say other people can't complain about the US, but when it comes to the US complaining about other countries you don't use it anymore?

    Stop twisting my words :(.

    What I am saying is as an example, the Chinese government can not complain about the Syrian government violating human rights because the chinese government itself is also guilty of the same crime.

    So a UK citizen can not complain about the US becoming a racist country, when the UK (which the UK citizen is part of) is also becoming a racist country.

    The Original Daniel.

  • The sad thing here in Singapore is - the government welcomes all the foreigners, yet the people don't and you'd most often see things being blamed on them. Not long before another Hitler-styled event?

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  • gsrdgrdghdgsrdgrdghd Member
    edited July 2012

    @MrLadoodle said: What I am saying is as an example, the Chinese government can not complain about the Syrian government violating human rights because the chinese government itself is also guilty of the same crime.

    Yeah thats your logic, i got that. You also said:

    @MrLadoodle said: No, by my logic the US government can not complain about China or Syria for having human rights abuse.

    =By your logic the US government can't complain about human rights abuse in China because of the US governments own human rights abuse

    @MrLadoodle said: But that isn't my opinion.

    =Despite from that, the US government should complain about human rights abuse in China.

    Edit: Also by your logic, a human rights activist born in China can't complain about the US. Why not?

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  • MrAndroidMrAndroid Member
    edited July 2012

    @gsrdgrdghd said: Edit: Also by your logic, a human rights activist born in China can't complain about the US. Why not?

    That is the opposite of my logic, that makes 0 sense.

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  • @MrLadoodle said: That is the opposite of my logic.

    So your logic is:

    1. "So a UK citizen can not complain about the US becoming a racist country, when the UK[...] is also becoming a racist country."
    2. A chinese human rights activist can complain about human rights abuse in the US, despite the chinese human rights abuse
  • @gsrdgrdghd said: A chinese human rights activist can complain about human rights abuse in the US, despite the chinese human rights abuse

    No, because there is a difference between the government and people.

    The Original Daniel.

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  • @MrLadoodle said: No, because there is a difference between the government and people.

    But you said yourself:

    @MrLadoodle said: So a UK citizen can not complain about the US becoming a racist country, when the UK (which the UK citizen is part of) is also becoming a racist country.

  • LAKidLAKid Member

    Everybody is a racist....don't pretend you are not.

  • @LAKid said: Everybody is a racist....don't pretend you are not.

    I don't think anyone in this thread has pretended that they are not a racist

  • JarJar Member

    Doesn't matter what color your skin is, I'll hate you just as much as anyone else. Equality in hatred, that's what this world really needs.

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  • MaouniqueMaounique Member
    edited July 2012

    @kbar said: how am I a retard? It's illegal to trade with Iran.

    US citizen of persian origin != Iran government or country. By your logic, when US was at war with Japan, the internment of US citizens of japanese origin was strictly legal because they were having a PoW status despite doing nothing against US, even more, some of them fighting in the army. M

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  • miTgiBmiTgiB Member

    @DanielM said: What a racist country the US is turning into.

    Did you ever wonder where the US learned it's racism? Do you think looking in the mirror would be a good start? Of course we learned to be racists from our British overlords in the 1600's

    You can spew all this anti-American crap all you like, but it shows how uninformed you really are. The Crown, and today Parliament is where most of the bad law of the past 500 years starts. American law may be bad, but we learned well from the masters in England.

    You really need to improve on your delivery, as you've said many times in the past you have nothing against American's, only it's Government, then you make statements like the above, which can't be taken anyway except against the people. How racist has England been against the Irish over history? The French... Both Governments have their low spots. Until we as humans can put aside the difference we may have and focus on the similarities, I don't see this changing.

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  • Blaming todays racism on something that happened 400 years ago ist just ridicolous.

  • miTgiBmiTgiB Member

    @gsrdgrdghd said: something that happened 400 years ago ist just ridicolous.

    Why when we as humans continue to repeat history over the past several millennium?

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  • @miTgiB said: Did you ever wonder where the US learned it's racism? Do you think looking in the mirror would be a good start? Of course we learned to be racists from our British overlords in the 1600's

    Finally someone who agrees with me.

    The Original Daniel.

  • n0myn0my Member

    US is accusing Iran for nuclear weapons when its saying it doesn't have em.. just like Iraq remember? they destroyed that country. And they didn't even find any WMDs... and people who suffer most didn't even want the war...

    Don't want this with Iran now tbh...

  • MaouniqueMaounique Member
    edited July 2012

    Racism isn't learned. It is a natural tendency derived from fear, an instinct. 1000 of years ago every community was afraid of strangers, not only because they could have come to conquer, plunder or steal, but because they could have brought diseases (plague is just one of them). Religious practices were also a reason of fear, local priests and shamans were quick to point out the local gods would be upset if the foreigners will practice their religion and the punishment would affect the whole area, hence the "not guilty" ones too. In the christian era this was an attack against jews, muslims, witches, other christian cults, etc. All that was foreign, including unusual foods and clothing was slowly associated with danger and it is a reflex we can hardly blame our ancestors for. Diseases and floods, fires and plunder by foreigners, rape and "culling" of locals did absolutely nothing to reduce those fears. However, today things changed, superstitions are no longer driving the people, at least in Europe (US still has a very powerful religious movements that makes own "schools" and rejects science but even there those are not the majority while in the muslim world there are madrasses and things like those) but racism is still going strong and gets stronger in times of bad economic situations. This is why politicians can make wars aided by this racism and fears they know how to inflame and use. Push this button, the population of robots votes this, push this other one, they will start "defending" their areas, push another button, they will chase the "enemy" and reduce their power to vote, hence the politicians will increase their majority. The enemy will be the foreigners at first, the ones of different religion after a while, the ones of a different political convictions later, and in the latter stages, the ones not working or fighting decisively enough against the enemy outside and within. That is, more or less, the life of a political extremist cycle, be it extreme right or extreme left. Communists also did the same, tho not exactly in that order.

    Racism is much more than just hate of certain race, it can include many aspects, when racists are asked why they hate a particular race, few say because they are different, but use other pretexts, and the big majority of those are sincerely believed to be true. For example, against the jews the christians were saying that they are killing infants to prepare their religious food with their blood, they were blamed for the killing of Jesus Christ, but also because they were using schemes to get rich on the back of the honest hard working local people. Roma, muslims, chinese, africans, etc, all have been blamed for one thing or another, some are even true to some extent, but this is no reason to punish every member of the community, even if 10% or even more are guilty of those things. M

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  • n0myn0my Member
    edited July 2012

    @Maounique said: Roma, muslims, chinese, africans, etc, all have been blamed for one thing or another,

    All races except "Muslims". And I dont think this has anything to do with religion tbh... US has diverse religions too.

  • miTgiBmiTgiB Member

    @n0my said: And I dont think this has anything to do with religion tbh

    I feel it has everything to do with religious intolerance.

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  • @n0my said: All races except "Muslims"

    "Africans" is hardly a race too. I can include Asians in the same idea, but I think it is obvious that religion is part of the problem of the race. It is all xenophobia, that is the root of everything. What is foreign is probably dangerous. Especially when it brings no immediate and obvious benefit. M

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  • ztecztec Member

    People don't have any control over where they are born, therefore people can have different opinions then their government. I feel stupid that I have to state this, but it doesn't seem very obvious to someone here.

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  • @ztec said: People don't have any control over where they are born, therefore people can have different opinions then their government

    This.

  • n0myn0my Member

    Before you guys say its Muslims that are the terrorists. Please know that Islam acknowledges other religions. Unlike Christianity.

    M, When you include Muslims like that, you are including soo many races. Muslim can be anyone. Chinese, African, American, British, Indian, Bengali, Turkish, anyone really...

    Also note the fact how many country US has been engaging in war with and compare that to Iran... I think its pretty clear from then on...

  • MaouniqueMaounique Member
    edited July 2012

    @n0my said: Please know that Islam acknowledges other religions.

    They do so for religious reasons, "the people of the book" are aknowledged because Islam is built upon previous religions. It is true Christianity aknowledges judaism also, the old testament is part of their holy books, but these "aknowledgements" didnt stop them killing each other, now jews and christians are allied against islam, mainly because jews couldnt survive there without the help of crusaders. Christian cults kill each other, muslim ones also, even different jewish cults are not going along too well...

    @n0my said: Also note the fact how many country US has been engaging in war with and compare that to Iran... I think its pretty clear from then on...

    This I didnt understand. M

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  • InfinityInfinity Retired Staff
    edited July 2012

    @n0my said: Muslim can be anyone. Chinese, African, American, British, Indian, Bengali, Turkish, anyone really...

    Where are the Arab countries? :P Souriyyah (minus Asaad) <3

    This thread has gone from an Iranian being denied service from an Apple Store to religious intolerance..

    我是一个巨魔 (;

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  • @Infinity said: This thread has gone from an Iranian being denied service from an Apple Store to religious intolerance..

    I hope this is not a threat... Religious intolerance has a lot to do with US wars and this also has a lot to do with the US citizens of Iranian origin being denied certain things. M

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