For a free internet:

For a free internet:

MaouniqueMaounique Member
edited July 2012 in General

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  • i'm more hoping it's free as beer. since i need to pay around 25-30 USD permonth for 384kbps internet.. :P

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  • in 2000 I was paying 100+ $ for 4K leased line. Dial-up was more expensive. Things will change :) M

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  • KuJoeKuJoe Member

    Unfortunately the "freedom fighters" (i.e. UGNazi and the like) are forcing governments to restrict the internet more and more. It sucks but at this point either ISPs need to step up or government will step in.

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  • @KuJoe said: "freedom fighters" (i.e. UGNazi and the like)

    What? UGNazi aren't "freedom fighters", they're doing it for their own enjoyment and ego.

    @KuJoe said: are forcing governments to restrict the internet more and more.

    I should really make a copypaste response to this argument, it comes up far too often. Governments are moving towards restricting stuff anyway, it's not because of what 'freedom fighters' do on the internet. You have two choices: 1. Try and do something against it - in which case you may be able to prevent rights being taken away. 2. Sit in a corner afraid, hoping the big bad government won't take more rights away from you - in which case your freedoms are guaranteed to be taken away. If you genuinely think that it's bad if people take action when their rights are being taken away, you're misunderstanding some core concepts of democracy.

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  • gsrdgrdghdgsrdgrdghd Member
    edited July 2012

    3: Actually do something legal while fighting for freedom

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  • @gsrdgrdghd said: 3: Actually do something legal while fighting for freedom

    I'm pretty sure that I did not specify 'legal' or 'illegal' in point 1. That has a reason.

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  • KuJoeKuJoe Member
    edited July 2012

    @joepie91 said: What? UGNazi aren't "freedom fighters", they're doing it for their own enjoyment and ego.

    They used to make claims they were doing it for various political reasons, now they don't even pretend to. They were just an example since I know how touchy some people are when I mention other groups. :P

    @joepie91 said: I should really make a copypaste response to this argument, it comes up far too often. Governments are moving towards restricting stuff anyway, it's not because of what 'freedom fighters' do on the internet.

    It's the "freedom fighters" that give government the backing they need. Not everybody is as well informed about what goes on online as most of us here, and unfortunately the uninformed make up the majority in most cases.

    @joepie91 said: If you genuinely think that it's bad if people take action when their rights are being taken away, you're misunderstanding some core concepts of democracy.

    I fail to see how hacking private computers and ruining people's lives who have absolutely nothing to do with politics/government/legislation is considered taking action for their rights. Now granted these people doing this don't speak for everyone but when they get more media attention than those who do it the right way then yeah, it tends to ruin the public perception of "the cause".

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  • @KuJoe said: It's the "freedom fighters" that give government the backing they need. Not everybody is as well informed about what goes on online as most of us here, and unfortunately the uninformed make up the majority in most cases.

    No, it's just one convenient scapegoat for new legislation. As has been demonstrated countless times in the past, if said scapegoat is not available, they'll just find something else to blame it on.

    @KuJoe said: I fail to see how hacking private computers and ruining people's lives who have absolutely nothing to do with politics/government/legislation is considered taking action for their rights.

    If you're refering to those kind of actions, how does this even have anything to do with "freedom fighters", at all?

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  • KuJoeKuJoe Member
    edited July 2012

    @joepie91 said: If you're refering to those kind of actions, how does this even have anything to do with "freedom fighters", at all?

    Because that's the flag they are flying. Regardless if that's their real motivation or not doesn't matter anymore because the world revolves around perception.

    @joepie91 said: No, it's just one convenient scapegoat for new legislation. As has been demonstrated countless times in the past, if said scapegoat is not available, they'll just find something else to blame it on.

    It's a convenient and convincing scapegoat. With all of the botnets floating around and all of the DDOS attacks this year I'm sure if a law was put in front of the business owners on the receiving end of said DDOS attack that would prevent future DDOS attacks at the sacrifice of their privacy I'm sure most would vote on it. It sucks but that's the world we live in today.

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  • KuJoeKuJoe Member

    Also, sorry for getting this thread so off topic. I'm heading to bed so no worries about further derailment by me. ;)

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  • Good night @KuJoe /end of derailment

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  • KairusKairus Member

    Governments want control of the internet no matter what 'hacking' groiups do. In the U.S. it's because of the RIAA and MPAA. Eventually they'll get their control because it doesn't affect the average person, so they don't care. As long as you don't take away things that benefit them, or effect them, they don't give a fuck!

  • If it is not "Hacking" and DDoS it is child porn, or even plain porn in some countries. A woman showing her hair is also porn. It does not matter the pretext, it is the end result that matters. How would you feel if the police will say they need the right to raid your home at any time to prevent drugs and child abuse ? Or whatever "reason" would that be. For decades the state managed to keep law and order without illegal wiretapping and warrantless searches. I see no reason why the Internet would be different. They can obtain IPs with a warrant showing probable cause, they should stick to that. M

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