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The new Microsoft tablet (Surface)

The new Microsoft tablet (Surface)

subigosubigo Member
edited June 2012 in General

I didn't see this posted yet... Microsoft just announced their new tablet.

http://surface.com

yay or nay?

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  • taiprestaipres Member
    edited June 2012

    Oh Microsoft please give me your cookie cutter crappy win8 os that doesn't have a start menu, please oh pleeeeeease....
    definite, nay.

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  • edited June 2012

    Very interesting, I will have to read more about this.

    It looks like they renamed the original "Microsoft Surface" platform to "Microsoft PixelSense".

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  • subigosubigo Member
    edited June 2012

    @taipres said: Oh Microsoft please give me your cookie cutter crappy win8 os that doesn't have a start menu, please oh pleeeeeease....

    It's a tablet... what the fuck do you want a start menu for? This is what Microsoft made Windows 8 for...

  • @matt_securedspeed said: Very interesting, I will have to read more about this.

    It looks like they renamed the original "Microsoft Surface" platform to "Microsoft PixelSense".

    Nice find, I do remember the old surface videos

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  • taiprestaipres Member
    edited June 2012

    @subigo said: It's a tablet... what the fuck do you want a start menu for? This is what Microsoft made Windows 8 for...

    Yes a market they've failed at for what a decade? First rule of business you don't turn your back on that which is making you your money(i.e the desktop market) you know where they have a monopoly?

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  • subigosubigo Member

    @taipres said: Just a few years ago mac osx had maybe 3% market share there, now it appears to be around 30%

    lol... where do you come up with your insane stats? OS X is still around 3%, brother.

  • taiprestaipres Member
    edited June 2012

    @subigo said: lol... where do you come up with your insane stats? OS X is still around 3%, brother.

    dang couldn't edit in time heh, I saw a chart the other day that said 30% but I just googled and it says about 6%-7%. Even still if win8 pc sales suck which it appears that's going to be the case, that's more market share they're leaving open to apple.Tablet is whatever, but they need to stop ignoring their core user base. Because no they won't be taking over the tablet market, nor the phone market, so sooner that understand that the better for everyone.

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  • Already knew about this ... It is a yah from me. Going to also get the lenovo yoga.

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  • subigosubigo Member

    I guess I should say I'll buy it if it's under $600. I've had a Lenovo S10 netbook for five years now and the Surface would be a nice replacement. This isn't a tablet to me, it's a laptop.

  • @taipres

    I think Microsoft got it right this time.

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  • SrvisLLCSrvisLLC Member
    edited June 2012

    @taipres said: Yes a market they've failed at for what a decade? First rule of business you don't turn your back on that which is making you your money(i.e the desktop market) you know where they have a monopoly?

    I've been using windows 8 on my laptop ( without a touchscreen ) for a while now, and I don't even care that the start menu is gone.

    I used to use it a lot, but all I need to do is press WIN and then start typing. The operating system boots faster, goes to sleep faster, wakes faster, and I think I could use it on a tablet with ease.

    I personally think that they did it right this time. At first during the Windows Developer Preview I really didn't like it that much perhaps because it was not worked out that well and the fact that I didn't know how to use it efficiently.

    After installing a SSD + Windows 8 Release Preview and learning how everything works I have found it to be just as good if not better than windows 7. There are still a few bugs with it that I have noticed. Mainly with my graphics card. I cannot get the switch graphics to work correctly like it did on windows 7 so to switch graphics processors I need to use the device manager.

    This "Surface" I think looks amazing and would be a great companion to my current laptop setup, now that you can login to a account and have it save your entire windows start (menu or whatever it's called now) I think it would be cool to see that synced across my devices.

    I think they have just improved the desktop experience, and made it so that tablets can run a similar or exactly the same OS as our desktops.

  • PeZzyPeZzy Member

    I also have a Lenovo S10 with a huge aftermarket battery from China. When it comes to mobile device, I pretty picky about battery life. Windows OSes usually have too many services/background processes to get decent battery life.

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  • KairusKairus Member
    edited June 2012

    @taipres said: Even still if win8 pc sales suck which it appears that's going to be the case, that's more market share they're leaving open to apple

    That'll never happen. Apple's computer products aren't price competitive, they'll never take more than a tiny corner of the market.

    Apple is even losing in market share to android when for a long time Apple had a superior product, superior advertising, as well as having hype on their side. It's all about the money.

    At least metro in Win8 can be disabled, and I won't be surprised if it comes disabled by certain OEMs (if Microsoft allows that).

  • @Kairus you're making all the same arguements M$ has been making for years. Apple does not compete on price, it competes on quality. Second Apple rules the mobile ad markets along with the mobile App markets. They have the largest app store with the largest userbase with credit cards active on their accounts, their market share is going up while PC market share is being decimated by iPad sales.

    I have had Android phones and Android Tablets at work, and I despise both product lines, there are a plethora of problems with app quality, and just general usability. Samsung Galaxy III is nice, but the screen is actually too big where you have to use two hands or a lot of fancy shuffling the phone in one hand to get anything done. And I have big hands. The tablets I have had were either slow or locked up a lot.

    I have had an iPhone since the 3g, I have had a 1st gen iPad and now have an iPad 3 along with a 17" Macbook Pro. Compared to some of the most powerful windows PC's I have built for gaming in the past, I still think OS X, and Apple products are far superior.

    Sure I'm not going to build some super custom water cooled PC built into a desk, but I am tired of thinking my way around a windows machine. I actually made an ultimatum to my family, get a Mac or dont ask me for help. They have Mac's and never need help doing things, because "They just work".

  • Fortunately, Steve Jobs has left Apple and they will soon regress to mediocrity. Judging by the rather "meh" ios6 release, I'd say they're well on their way.

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  • I really don't see what the problem is with Win 8, that fancy square boxes interface can be disabled and you get a normal win 7 desktop environment with a few extra enhancements.

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  • taiprestaipres Member
    edited June 2012

    They even got rid of aero in leaked win8 screenshots, they instead replaced it with the laziest crap GUI i've ever seen. It's minimalist taken to a whole new level.

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  • A microsoft product that one tiny whiny part of me might want, thats a first.

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  • @Insidiea said: I really don't see what the problem is with Win 8, that fancy square boxes interface can be disabled and you get a normal win 7 desktop environment with a few extra enhancements.

    Nope, you can't disable it.

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  • @Daniel said: you can't disable it.

    You can't get rid of it? That's pretty stupid.

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  • @HalfEatenPie said: You can't get rid of it? That's pretty stupid.

    Microsoft wants to force Metro so you will buy a Windows Phone.

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  • KairusKairus Member

    @FRCorey said: @Kairus you're making all the same arguements M$ has been making for years. Apple does not compete on price, it competes on quality. Second Apple rules the mobile ad markets along with the mobile App markets. They have the largest app store with the largest userbase with credit cards active on their accounts, their market share is going up while PC market share is being decimated by iPad sales.

    I have had Android phones and Android Tablets at work, and I despise both product lines, there are a plethora of problems with app quality, and just general usability. Samsung Galaxy III is nice, but the screen is actually too big where you have to use two hands or a lot of fancy shuffling the phone in one hand to get anything done. And I have big hands. The tablets I have had were either slow or locked up a lot.

    I have had an iPhone since the 3g, I have had a 1st gen iPad and now have an iPad 3 along with a 17" Macbook Pro. Compared to some of the most powerful windows PC's I have built for gaming in the past, I still think OS X, and Apple products are far superior.

    Sure I'm not going to build some super custom water cooled PC built into a desk, but I am tired of thinking my way around a windows machine. I actually made an ultimatum to my family, get a Mac or dont ask me for help. They have Mac's and never need help doing things, because "They just work".

    I don't think you can say that Apple competes on quality, and Microsoft does not. Is Windows 7 not a quality product? I think it is, you may not. Can you post some sources to back it up that "Apple rules the mobile ad market"?

    We'll see how tablet market shares hold up before saying they "decimate PC sales", imo it's a niche product, can't replace a computer for the majority of people.

    I'm sorry you feel that way about android products, I love my android phone and tablet.

    I completely disagree, there is no way Apple products are far superior, their hardware prices are absurd. I would never drop that kind of cash on a laptop with mediocre specs, but didn't mind dropping $2k on my desktop build.

    I'm sorry you have trouble with Windows, I don't and I know a ton of people who don't.

  • CoreyCorey Member

    @Kairus I agree I think android is close to having the market at this point. Windows 7 was quality IMO.

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  • nabonabo Member
    edited June 2012

    @taipres said: They even got rid of aero in leaked win8 screenshots, they instead replaced it with the laziest crap GUI i've ever seen. It's minimalist taken to a whole new level.

    It's actually one of the best GUIs since the Windows 2000 GUI. Minimalized to just help me with my work and don't interfere with it.

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  • @Daniel said: Nope, you can't disable it.

    Um, yes you can.

    I suspect you have not actually played with it.

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  • @raindog308 said: Um, yes you can.

    You can't disable the Windows 8 Metro UI, you can switch to Desktop, but the Metro UI will always be there.

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  • Nay! Just another tablet that isn't made by Apple. I'll add it to the pile of Android/HP/Blackberry tablets out there. I've never previewed the Surface so I can't say much but I don't like the idea of the new Windows 8 from the Beta/Preview I've used.

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  • @EricCubixCloud said: Apple FTW ;) Who's with me?

    Not me. Apple sucks ... I have a dead pixel on my iPad ... and the customer support thinks it is a software glitch. After I explain to the lady it is a hardware problem and that I want it to be fixed she tells me they don't fix 1 dead pixel under warranty.

    iPad has been the best tablet till now ... and it still is. However, once the MS tablet is out game over for iPad.

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  • taiprestaipres Member
    edited June 2012

    +rep points to Microsoft for using Gorilla Glass, if you don't know what that is, youtube it, stuff rocks. Here's update on what the tablet will have

    "The first Surface Microsoft showed is a 10.6-inch tablet (the screen is Gorilla Glass, and is a 16:9 ratio, like laptop screens and Android tablets but unlike the iPad), a bit bigger than the 9.7-inch iPad, made of magnesium "liquid metal." This one, made for consumers and more mobile types, will run Windows RT. It'll weigh 1.5 pounds, a little more than the new iPad's 1.44, though at 9.3mm thick, it is a whopping zero-point-one millimeters thinner. It's got a full-sized USB port, storage of either 32GB or 64GB, and one of the coolest things we've seen so far is the case. It's got a built-in magnetic stand, like the iPad's Smart Cover, but it also has a suuuuper thin keyboard with multitouch keys on it. The keyboard sounds kind of awesome! It has sensors so it can tell how much force you're using on the keyboard, which lets you rest your fingers on it without triggering a key. Really cool! (If you want real, tactile keys, there's another, slightly less thin cover that offers that.)

    A second one, just shown, is for "professionals"--apparently it has a much more impressive spec list, "rivaling that of the best ultrabooks," and will use Windows 8 Professional. That means Ivy Bridge processors, USB 3.0, and a storage capacity of 64GB and 128GB. Unfortunately, it also means bigger and heavier--a 13.5mm thickness, and a 1.9-pound weight, which is pretty heft. It's got stylus or pen input, surprisingly! But luckily it also has two separate sensors, so you don't have to worry about your hand resting on the screen and registering--when it senses the pen, it'll stop sensing your hand.

    What's curious is that Microsoft has long been reliant on hardware partners--HP, Dell, Lenovo, Acer, the list goes on probably forever--but in recent years, the company's been getting just worked by Apple in the ultraportable area. Not talking about just the iPad; there's also no real competitor to the MacBook Air, which is the whole reason for the "Ultrabook" movement/PR bonanza. The Surface looks like it might serve both those niches at once, and better than any of Microsoft's partners (who, of course, could have made this--they just haven't). "

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  • Microsoft doesnt suck so bad anymore since vista. They learned their lesson the hard way, before they just thought they can throw anything at the market with the microsoft logo and we will eat it. I went up from 0 trust in MS to 10-15 on a scale from 0-100 and the trend is still upwards. They are no longer using proxies like sco to sue linux, in general leave others do the dirty work. Watch Oracle and Apple, MS is no longer the spearhead against OS and digital freedom. M

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    After vista I think, I hated Vista.

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  • @Maounique said: FWIW, I think Apple would go with ARM

    Apple were one of the founded fo ARM.

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  • taiprestaipres Member
    edited June 2012

    @Maounique said: Microsoft doesnt suck so bad anymore since vista.

    Microsoft has a history of good/bad os

    Windows 2k good, Windows ME bad, Windows xp good, Windows Vista bad, Windows 7 good...

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  • And from what it looks like right now: Windows 8 bad

  • @taipres said: Windows 2k good, Windows ME bad, Windows xp good, Windows Vista bad, Windows 7 good...

    Working backwards, you'd be saying that Windows 98 was good but Windows 95 was bad, while Windows 3.1 was good. I don't agree.

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  • taiprestaipres Member
    edited June 2012

    @raindog308 said: Working backwards, you'd be saying that Windows 98 was good but Windows 95 was bad, while Windows 3.1 was good. I don't agree.

    well many would, so, like others you're entitled to your opinion. You also forgot win nt and looking back the nt kernel is the foundation for most of Microsofts good os's. 3.1 was also a massive hit for Microsoft.

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  • sleddogsleddog Member
    edited June 2012

    Apple doesn't make computers. They make devices. You're not supposed to open them up. Apple introduced those proprietary screws years ago to stop people doing just that. If Jobs could've figured out how to construct a one-piece case and pour the internals in in a liquid state, and let it setup like Jello, he would've done it. Buy it, use it, but stay the f*ck out!

    Microsoft built an operating system. And they built partnerships with hardware manufacturers to use that OS. You can buy cheap hardware or expensive hardware, Microsoft doesn't give a damn. You can open it up, change out parts and upgrade it. Microsoft doesn't mind that at all, 'cause now you're ready to buy the new version of Windows, right? Just don't attempt to "open up" the software.... buy it, use it, but stay the f*ck out.

    Two different approaches to empire-building. Check back in another 10 years and we'll see which one really succeeds.

    Oh, if you don't like corporations telling you to "stay out" of your computer, there's Linux.

  • nabonabo Member

    @gsrdgrdghd said: And from what it looks like right now: Windows 8 bad

    I can't say that. I have it running here side by side with Windows 7, and I like Windows 8. I especially like the Metro-Start-UI.

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  • NateN34NateN34 Member
    edited June 2012

    Honestly, the tablet itself looks very good.....way better than the ipad imo. Especially that keyboard attachment (that also has a trackpad!?).......can actually do something productive on a tablet now!

    Windows 8 mobile is actually a great OS too, contrary to the hate.

  • TazTaz Disabled

    One question, why you guys keep calling ipad a Tablet? It is just a big itouch. It has nothing compared to real tablet. May be adding some nice external input device's?

    Microsoft surface does look promising and I must say, it does have some good feature. External keyboard, slick look and those nice little peripheral port outside got me excited.

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    And why would anyone want desktop look for a tablet/mobile device? IOS does not look like Osx.

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  • Pray tell us the definition of a "real tablet".

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    @raindog308 said: Pray tell us the definition of a "real tablet".

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