Howdy, Stranger!

It looks like you're new here. If you want to get involved, click one of these buttons!


Software RAID and hard drive failure
New on LowEndTalk? Please Register and read our Community Rules.

All new Registrations are manually reviewed and approved, so a short delay after registration may occur before your account becomes active.

Software RAID and hard drive failure

dnwkdnwk Member
edited August 2014 in Help

I did software RAID twice on complete different machines on debian. Both machine end up with hard drive failure. Yes. It is desktop grade hard drive. It works pretty well before and both failed less than 2 months after software RAID was set up.
So, I have to wonder, if software RAID killed the hard drive, especially if it is desktop grade hard drive.

«1

Comments

  • AnthonySmithAnthonySmith Member, Patron Provider

    Not in my experience, I have a rig here as a test bed with WD blues in raid 0 for 3 years :)

  • CharlesACharlesA Member
    edited August 2014

    Same experience as Anthony here. I've been running software RAID on some random Hitatchi Death star drives on my backup server and it's been fine.

  • MicrolinuxMicrolinux Member
    edited August 2014

    @dnwk said:
    So, I have to wonder if software RAID killed the hard drive

    No.

  • vdnetvdnet Member
    edited August 2014

    How would software RAID kill your drives? Desktop drives aren't meant for 24x7 access, that is probably what is killing your drives. The comparison of failures I see between Blue and RE Western Digitals is astronomical in server environments.

    Software RAID, especially mirroring or striping, wouldn't add any extra load to the drives. Mirroring just writes data to both drives, striping spreads data out across different drives. So striping actually reduces write by half when you have two drives, but also provides no redundancy.

    Some other things you can check:

    1. What types of fans are you running and are they causing excess vibration in your chassis?

    2. What is the max temperature of the drive from the SMART output?

    3. Is your power supply outputting correct voltages?

    4. Did you run extended tests on the drives before you put them in the array?

  • Linux software RAID has been well known to be very reliable.

  • dnwkdnwk Member

    I am doing RAID 1 and I am not monitoring SMART. So I don't have a log to say why it happens. Just think it is too much a coincidence. I never had a failed hard drive when it was not running as a RAID.

  • dnwkdnwk Member
    edited August 2014

    @vdnet said:
    How would software RAID kill your drives? Desktop drives aren't meant for 24x7 access, that is probably what is killing your drives. The comparison of failures I see between Blue and RE Western Digitals is astronomical in server environments.

    Blue is good or RE is good?

    WD RE4 1 TB Enterprise Hard Drive on Amazon was priced very similar to desktop grade

    edit: never mind, I know why it is cheap. It was SATA II.

  • @dnwk said:
    I am doing RAID 1 and I am not monitoring SMART. So I don't have a log to say why it happens. Just think it is too much a coincidence. I never had a failed hard drive when it was not running as a RAID.

    Even if SMART can't really predict when a drive fails, it still is nice to monitor the metrics of your drives - bad sectors, etc.

    @dnwk said:
    WD RE4 1 TB Enterprise Hard Drive on Amazon was priced very similar to desktop grade

    I've been running WD SE 3TB drives in my main server off a MegaRAID 9260-8i. They were a little bit cheaper than RE4 drives when I bought them.

  • kyakykyaky Member
    edited August 2014

    even with "Desktop Drive" label marked on disks, Seagate 3T Barracuda is still cheap and solid enough for NAS.

  • dnwkdnwk Member

    @kyaky said:
    even with "Desktop Drive" label marked on disks, Seagate 3T Barracuda is still cheap and solid enough for NAS.

    Yes. It is Barracuda. Not sure why. Could be damaged when I have it shipped inside the server to DC. Should pack those hard drive separately.

  • @dnwk said:
    Blue is good or RE is good?
    edit: never mind, I know why it is cheap. It was SATA II.

    REs will be better for RAID. SATA II/III doesn't matter, a mechanical drive can't even saturate SATA II bandwidth.

    Thanked by 1vdnet
  • dnwk said: I am not monitoring SMART.

    Start monitoring it then. Sometimes it can predict a HDD failure or degradation.

  • raindog308raindog308 Administrator, Veteran

    dnwk said: I am doing RAID 1 and I am not monitoring SMART.

    "Monitoring" or not you can always look at what smartctl says for a drive. The log is on the drive itself, so even if the drive is having issues you can ask it what its internal log says.

  • netomxnetomx Moderator, Veteran

    MAybe the temp killed them

  • @raindog308 said:
    "Monitoring" or not you can always look at what smartctl says for a drive. The log is on the drive itself, so even if the drive is having issues you can ask it what its internal log says.

    Unless the drive is completely dead and not just having read/write errors.

  • vdnetvdnet Member
    edited August 2014

    @dnwk said:
    edit: never mind, I know why it is cheap. It was SATA II.

    REs or Blacks are about the same in reliability for software RAIDs. WD RE is the way to go for hardware RAIDs because of TLER. Blues are the low end 7200rpm desktop drives, just as greens are the low end 5400rpm desktop drives. I have seen a lot of Seagate Barracuda drives fail in servers. If you want a reliable drive, go for a WD Black. It will be cheaper than the enterprise drives by Seagate/WD but just as reliable.

    As microlinux already said. SATA2 or SATA3 doesn't matter for a HDD, only an SSD. You won't max out the SATAII transport with a HDD. SATAII can handle 375MB/s theoretically, but more realistically about 275MB/s. Most hard drives won't even hit 150.

    Thanked by 1geekalot
  • dnwkdnwk Member

    @vdnet said:

    BIOS is not detecting it

  • dnwkdnwk Member

    I bought Seagate Enterprise Value. Not sure if I'll regret it.

  • shovenoseshovenose Member, Host Rep

    I've had more issues with WD Black drives than any other. Whether in server or desktop use. So don't get those. But otherwise nothing on the software end should kill a hard drive.

  • In my experience, Seagate drives failed more than Western Digital drives.

  • MicrolinuxMicrolinux Member
    edited August 2014

    @shovenose said:
    I've had more issues with WD Black drives than any other.

    I don't know what the deal is, the last few batches we've ordered (Blacks and REs) have had a 50+% failure rate within a year, they used to be great, but we've stopped using them. Always the same thing, the buzz/beep of death after a reboot.

  • @shovenose said:
    I've had more issues with WD Black drives than any other.

    Strange, all the WD blacks I've had have been very reliable over the years. They are practically the same as the raid editions with a different firmware.

    @GIANT_CRAB said:
    In my experience, Seagate drives failed more than Western Digital drives.

    Same, and WD has a much better RMA process. I just compared them the other day, sent two drives to both companies. WD had a new drive to me in 3 business days. Seagate took 8 business days.

  • We never had issue with Seagate SV35 drives - 4 fails in ~3 years out of ~200 drives.

    WD failed more often (non RE), Seagate Enterprise failed more often (surprisingly), WD RE3 failed more often, WD RE4 around the same, Hitachi less.

  • dnwkdnwk Member

    @vdnet said:
    Same, and WD has a much better RMA process. I just compared them the other day, sent two drives to both companies. WD had a new drive to me in 3 business days. Seagate took 8 business days.

    What's Seagate's warranty? Since one drive is 3 month old and another one little less a year

  • dnwkdnwk Member

    @William said:
    We never had issue with Seagate SV35 drives - 4 fails in ~3 years out of ~200 drives.

    WD failed more often (non RE), Seagate Enterprise failed more often (surprisingly), WD RE3 failed more often, WD RE4 around the same, Hitachi less.

    So you recommend getting Hitachi?

  • No, as the SV35 are much better priced which compensates this failure rate.

  • rds100rds100 Member
    edited August 2014

    I haven't seen a failed SV35 yet, though we haven't deployed that many of them.
    The good thing is they have a 3 years warranty. More than enough.

  • Maybe I just got a bad batch but I've had 4 out of 24 SV35s fail, 3 of them after the 3 year mark with them only having a 3 year warranty. WD Black and RE have a 5 year warranty.

  • The main reason I got WD was for the 5 year warranty. Granted I'll get a referb drive if one fails, but that's still kicks the crap out of having to fork over for a new drive.

  • jbilohjbiloh Administrator, Veteran

    GIANT_CRAB said: In my experience, Seagate drives failed more than Western Digital drives.

    I am a huge supporter of Western Digital drives. We have tens of thousands of them, and reliability with the RE4's has been superb. Seagate's we avoid like the plague.

Sign In or Register to comment.